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SPEAKER_00 0:36

Welcome, welcome back to another episode of the Fourth Down Podcast. You already know it's your boy Leep here with the usual guy. Shot.

SPEAKER_03 0:42

How's it going?

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Going.

SPEAKER_03 0:43

It was good.

SPEAKER_00 0:44

Dre. Yup. Alrighty, fellas. We uh it's been a lot of things going on, really kind of just within the last few days that we're about to discuss, but it's been a lot going on. Um, we got through the whole month of March, and as we all know, come March, comes March madness. I think it's safe to say it was a little bit, it was some madness this month this March. Um Michigan just won last night. The national championship game was last night. Shout out to the Wolverines. Uh I mean, me personally, I would say it was kind of convincing fashion. I'm not gonna say the game wasn't, you know, got got to a good point at certain points, but you can't afford a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 1:18

They definitely afford a little bit, but you could tell Michigan was the better team.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Yeah, and I was just about to say honestly, Michigan probably going through the year was for sure the better team. Um outside of Michigan's dominance, uh, what other storylines or what else what else was going on? March Madge, you got that had you guys locked in.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Um selling.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

I feel like we had to go.

SPEAKER_03 1:37

That was gonna be a part of what I was about to say. Go ahead, though. No, because I was about to say, um, we had mentioned Yukon and how they kind of looked like they was like outmatched in the game, even though they fought back, kept getting up off the mat, fighting, you know, closing it, then they getting the lead, and then closing it and then getting the lead again. Um Yukon um beating Duke was one of the craziest games I've seen in a little while because Duke was also kind of running away with that game, um, at least up until halftime, and then UConn kind of just had this like spark and and Duke couldn't really handle it. And especially when they got to the pressure moments, like UConn just seemed like the more prepared team. And like that goes back to coaching, you know what I mean? Like maybe if Duke still had Coach K, they might have got out of that situation. But um UConn's coaching is just obviously what got them all the way through there. You know what I mean? Like uh a lot of these big programs, they have all these NLL guys and all that, but a lot of the UConn, like they a lot they keep their guys, right? They develop their guys in their system. And so that's kind of what like made them stand out, even though they weren't the most talented team in a lot of matchups they had, they were able to still stay frisky no matter what and stay in almost every game. Um and that's what let them be Duke, and you know what I'm saying, Duke Soul. A lot of people had Duke winning. Um, you got the Booza brothers going to the NBA next year. They thought that, you know, them two, that tandem was gonna be able to pull it together, but they they wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

So I'm not gonna lie though, like with that whole like tandem like with between them, one of the one of the one of the brothers definitely did so. Like, against the UConn, it made me so mad, bro. Because I was pulling for Duke, because I was like, I I fucked with uh Carlos Bouger. So to see his sons in like a crazy statement.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

I don't think I've ever heard anyone.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Only reason because like bro, a lot of people don't bang with him and like they don't really put him like where he should be at like not like in rankers or anything, but like him being the parent thing, like him being a hundred and the best player in the NBA. But like disrespect. Um but like when as far as like that, I was like that. I like to see like NBA players' sons like doing well. And like when it came to that game against UConn, bro, Cam Bouger was hooping. And like um number five for UConn, I I forgot his name. Like he was supposed to be the one that shut him down completely. And like the first two minutes, he got like two blocks off on him. Like after that, it was like Cam just took over. Cam just like took over the took over the whole took over the game, and like he was basically the reason they was even supposed to win that game. And then like when it came down to like the last eight seconds of the of that Yukon Duke game, it's like why didn't they just hold the ball? Like they were gonna foul y'all anyway, y'all were up one point.

SPEAKER_03 4:03

But that's the thing. When the pressure, when they put the full court press and he got, you know, right over half, and then they all pressured him, he kind of threw it in the back. He didn't even get past half. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was right there by it, though. That game was so good, bro.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

Like at halftime, I was just about ready to cut it off. Because like they were like, it was up so high, like, yeah, bro. But I admittedly, like I was telling y'all before, like, I didn't watch a lot of March Madness this year. I watched the championship game. I caught some of the Yukon game with uh with Duke. But uh, yeah, because I've been I've been watching the Sixers. I'm gonna apologize for that. But yeah, I mean I I thought it was still like like good hoops, you know what I mean? Like I thought the championship game was cool. The final score looked like it was pretty close. Yeah, you know what I mean? Uh shout out Michigan. Shut up, I I saw like an interview um I think at halftime with Yaxel, and he was like, um he he feels like he wasn't getting to his spots because he was like he had an MCL injury, uh ACL, something like that, but they ended up winning anyway. So I I I thought it was a pretty cool game.

SPEAKER_03 4:54

Yeah, I think I think one of the biggest things to take away from the tournament is like a lot of players are like like the the I think the average age, don't don't quote me on this because I don't have the the data on that, but from what I've seen in the teams that I've watched, the average age of the players are like older now because of NIL. You know what I mean? The one and done thing isn't as big as it was, you know, maybe two or three years ago. So like players are staying, and not necessarily staying at their school, but they're staying in school. And so now you're getting more developed players, you're getting better basketball players, you're getting better games. And so that's why I thought this Marshmadness tournament was a little bit better than like how it is, especially earlier on. Because you know, earlier on, you just get, you know, for the first two rounds, everybody just get smoked. And then when we get to like the Sweet 16, that's when all right, we start getting competitive games. But I feel like it was competitive from the jump because uh the NIL players, most players are now sophomores and juniors, which still isn't like juniors and seniors, but they're sophomores and juniors. When back in the day, all the best teams were just full of freshmen. Well, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 5:48

Didn't Duke almost get upset in like the first round to what, like Siena or Yeah, they they played them tough, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

And I do want to like piggyback off of what you said, like with like these the NIL thing with like the players, like you do start to see like because these these these players are staying longer, they get the reps they need to even push them to the next level. Like with like and you'll see like some of these lower schools, like like St. John's went pretty deep this year, and they almost beat Michigan um what in the Sweet 16. They almost beat Michigan in the Sweet 16. That was a good game. I was watching that when I was in Williamsburg, and I'm like, I was actually pulling for St. John because I'm like, I want to see some underdogs in the in like the Final Four or something. And like, but St. John's team was nice. They just, you know, playing against Michigan is hard to beat.

SPEAKER_03 6:32

That's what's gonna that's what's gonna make I think the the college basketball scene better is the fact that you know we used to always root for like the little guy, right? We want to see the upsets, like that year that Butler was able to get all the way, you know, to the championship with uh Brad Brad Stevens, right? Um what's the name from the Celtics that's now in the front of the street? Yeah, then it's yeah. So like I don't think we're gonna see as much as that anymore because of NIL because all the good players on these bad, on these smaller schools are getting picked off them schools to other schools. But now you're gonna start to see like UConn, right? Which UConn is a historic program, but they were never like, in my opinion, like a team that was expected to be dominant in the program. I mean, in uh in the March Madness tournament. But what makes them competitive is the fact that they have older basketball players. You know what I mean? So those are gonna be the new like Cinderella stories, right? These schools that are like full of juniors and seniors who aren't big programs, but they've been playing together for four years, so they got all the chemistry. That's where I see the Cinderella stories going.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

Did y'all did y'all catch any of the the women's side? I did.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

A little bit, yeah. I was definitely seeing some of that. Um I mean, if I'm being honest, the biggest thing I seen away from that, we gotta talk about Gene Games. Oh my god, that's crazy. Like, I didn't I even still like DeAndre was telling me, explaining to me the other day what was going on, and I still just like, what the hell?

SPEAKER_03 7:46

Like, he was mad because he had to wait like three. No, before the game, apparently coaches supposed to meet together, right? And I don't know, we don't really care about the pregame because all we see, all we see is the introduction of the players, and then we're ready to watch the game. But apparently they're supposed to meet up and he had to wait like three or four minutes, and he he felt like it was unprofessional that she kind of came out when she wanted to come out. But I was like, yo, like you just sound butthurt because you got smoked. They got you. He was getting touched.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

It was like you see the interaction they had, then you look at the bottom of the screen in the school, and it makes you go, like, oh, I see why he was tripping. He was insulting. They got it.

SPEAKER_03 8:18

You know, UConn usually just runs through everything until Don Staley. Yeah. Don Staley was the first one to be like, yeah, UConn not really do that, not while I'm here. So she's so tough. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

Even though they lost, but me and DeAndre Beth definitely both think that if they would start to get into it, our money was on Don.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

I was taking Don't. No, for sure. No, for sure. My money against a lot of people I'm taking Don.

SPEAKER_03 8:40

Look, she got to the uh the post-conference, post-game conference, and she was like, I don't know, you gotta ask him. Like she was just ducking every question. Like, I'm I'm he mad, I ain't mad. We're won. We won about what 30 plus? But I do feel like they was they was a little gassed and and emotionally drained from doing that to UConn and then they ran into UCLA, who was just even kill, and I don't know, they just didn't play well against UConn. I'm gonna be honest. I mean UCLA.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

I didn't I'm gonna be honest, I did not know UCLA was that nice. Yeah like I haven't been watching I haven't been watching that side of that side of basketball for the women's. Like I'm usually just watching like um uh South Carolina. Um but bro, they got they got some hoopers, and like I ain't gonna lie, they they got a good squad over there. Like, um, I don't know if any of them are going to the WNBA this year. I think their point guard is. Yeah. Um, but they they had a really good team when I went back and actually looked at it. So I can understand why South Carolina lost like that. Like, especially being tired from like playing so well against a good team like UConn, I can understand why that happened. Like, they really had to go up against another tough challenge and then overcome that in the biggest stage. That's kind of that's still hard to do.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

Shoot. Uh USC next year, they're gonna be loaded.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

Yeah, because I've been wanting to see her for so long, bro, because she was one of my favorites. Two years? A year and a half.

SPEAKER_02 10:03

I I want to ask something because I feel like we didn't touch on it. What what what do y'all think like led to Michigan beating UConn? Was it just they were the better team, or was it like defense?

SPEAKER_00 10:11

Was it like oh my god, their defense was amazing. From what I seen, though, Michigan was just physical and they put anything they wanted in the paint. Like it was just crazy. And defense, like you said, which plays off of each other. Physical, you can play good on defense.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

One of my only things about that Michigan team that really showed me that their defense really caused a lot of their points. They didn't make their first three-pointer until the middle of the second half. Like that's crazy. They they made their first three-pointer to go and to push the game into double digits in the middle of the second half. So it's like everything that they was getting, down bottom, mid-ranges, they was getting fast break points. Like, they really, like UConn really struggled against that defense, and it showed because towards the end of the game, but they just got tired. They got gas. Like, they was physical in everything, like screens, like getting to steals and everything. Like, they was just mad physical playing defense.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

That's why the college game's so different in NBA. And when you have young guys, that's why MIP and I think NAL is good for basketball because it's keeping guys in development for longer. Because we used to send these 19-year-old kids into the NBA and expect them to be these superstars, but you gotta think these college basketball games be like 65 to 62, bro. Like, no one's consistently scoring 28 a game. Like, maybe there's a player or two a year that might do that. But most of the good players on these basketball teams in college be averaging like 16 points, bro.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Like that's so crazy to think about. Like, you think NBA, like, and you think 18, that's like a third option on the team. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 11:34

Like, but in the college game, I mean 18 is amazing because the scores be like 65 to 62.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

Yeah. So and plus with like from like college basketball to NBA, the amount of time they're on the court. They only play 40 minutes in college. That that time frame is like not doubled in in the NBA, but it's a lot more time of on court time that uh college kid has to get used to only playing one year college and they only play two halves. You gotta play four quarters in the NBA.

SPEAKER_03 12:02

Yeah. And that also, in my opinion, like, just to connect sports, right? That's why a lot of good players in college football translate immediately. Yeah. Because they've been in college for three years. It's the same game, it's just more physical, more development. But you know what I'm saying? Talent's gonna outshine physicality. So you can translate, and maybe you you look at a receiver or something like that, and you say, Oh, he got to bulk up, but like he's still eating, right? Statistically, he's still eating. He just gotta get take hits better. You know what I mean? That's a little different. That's just about growing up. But when you a basketball player, which is a skill-based game, like you go from playing against other 19-year-olds who aren't as good as you who were the best in their high school, but probably never gonna play in an NBA, to these dudes who were literally like the best players in college. Like, it's everybody like that. So it's easier to translate on the football side. But now that guys are staying longer, we might see better rookies, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:52

You know to like piggyback off of what you're saying, like far as like football and basketball. For me, it's like when like a younger kid steps on the football field against these men, he's gonna get the advantage because he's more physical, he's faster, he um he's able to process things quicker than an older guy. Even if he's a seasoned vet, like you still gotta like like take in consideration this kid's younger, he's gonna be faster than me, he's gonna be more physical, he's gonna be bigger than me. Like then with the basketball, um older older people are a lot better than basketball because they take the physicality out, like they put more skill into it, they put more mental, like the mental aspect of basketball into it, like instead of just being more physical and fast. So, like as far as like basketball, it's harder to be better against older people than it is football. Like just to like basically piggyback at what he's saying. It's easier to be better younger in football than it is basketball.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

So I know I know we kind of like got specifics on like with Caden and Cam Boozer. Um was before we get off of the uh basketball uh college basketball, was there any people like that this tournament kind of made you kind of get a little more attention to? For me personally, I would say um the kid from BYU, AJ, AJM, and uh I've been looking at him. The guard that Kyler Perry's got over there at Arkansas, yeah. I think I really and also another, granted, the media kind of made me think like he's got some issues going on. I don't know, but also the guard over at Kansas, yeah, uh Peterson, I think.

SPEAKER_03 14:12

But his his PR is terrible.

SPEAKER_00 14:15

Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're right. But as far as the game on the court, I feel like um those guys probably definitely stepped up their uh draft stocks a little bit for the season to go on. Anybody for y'all that y'all kind of was looking at?

SPEAKER_02 14:28

I mean, like I said, I only really watched yesterday's game. But it was just for me, I mean, I was gonna say uh Yaksu Luxembourg, I thought he was a cool little story. Um, like I said, the story at halftime with him being heard and like I I thought he was cool.

SPEAKER_03 14:40

Well, it wasn't it wasn't no individual player that that uh stood out for me, but I will say that I do think guards translate better than big men um when it comes to the NBA because a lot of guards are kind of actually do the same thing. They're not really we don't really look for traditional point guards anymore. Like I think like that's why they don't differentiate them between point guard and shooting guard as much anymore. Like, we just want bucket getters. Whereas like big men have to know how to operate without the basketball. And I feel like in college, if you're a good big man, they're feeding you in the post. But then when you get to the NBA and you got, I don't know, Wimby or somebody on you, you just not ready to do that. You know what I mean? So you have to find other ways to get your game, which is why they say big men need to learn how to shoot. Because you're not just about to post up all game and get 20, 25 points. So I would just say that I think a lot of the guards that we just mentioned and even the wings that we've just mentioned are gonna translate a little better than some of the big men that might come out.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

I literally, I think a great example of that is like like Taco Fall, bro. Like, I thought he was like a dog in college and he got to the league and it just didn't.

SPEAKER_03 15:38

But you're not you're not getting you're not scoring 25 points per game.

SPEAKER_02 15:40

Or even like you're just not gonna be like Zach Edy, bro.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

Like, Zach Edy was nice at Purdue, and then like one thing I I feel like, and you it's crazy you brought up Zach, because I did like Zach coming out, and I feel like now with his like going into his third or fourth year, he's getting a lot better with learning and understanding the everything that Dorian just explained, where you can't just run down in the paint, go like this, and just wait for the ball and get in 25 a game and 25 a night off of that. He's learning that he's gotta, you know, his games gotta be a little more versatile. So um definitely.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

Well, yeah, look at um, what's his name? Donald McClingen in Portland. He he can shoot the three. You know what I mean? Like he's not just in the paint, like exactly.

SPEAKER_03 16:15

But there there isn't a big man that's good right now that can't shoot at least a consistent mid-range shot.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

That's a good point.

SPEAKER_03 16:20

Yeah, so you that whole post-up all game, it just ain't gonna work like it did in college. College, you could just bully people, but you're not bullying the NBA player.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

I feel like they like a lot of big men that go to the NBA, like doing that, they don't their footwork don't translate. Like they gotta get better at moving their feet, doing different moves in the post instead of just using Ape size and body. And I think that's why they don't translate well to the league. Like, yeah, they're gonna have to learn how to shoot. Yeah, they're gonna have to learn how to do a post fade, post hook, or something like that. But they don't like they'll probably teach it in college, but in make in-game situation, they don't need it. You don't need it in the NBA, you will, but not in college.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

Alright, well, uh like I said, you know, Marshmallow, shout out to Michigan and uh them guys over there, shout out to Wolverine's go back, big channels. But there's also been a lot of other madness going on in the MLB this season because we have now implemented the ABS system, which is the automatic balls and strike system. Um I don't know. Me, like I will say um it's it's been a lot of controversy. Like some people like it, some people don't. It is what it is. Me personally, I don't think it's bad. Maybe I'm being a little biased because the Orioles were on the good side of history for once. And we were the first team to win a game off of the ABS call-off system. Uh so shouts out to that. But then you got the other teams like um, I want to say the New York Yankees, who are like damn near perfect in their challenges. They're like, I just watched a game a couple days ago and they were like 12 for 15. So it's like, you know, you got things like that.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

Um before we get too deep into it, I want to make sure I really understand it. It's basically like you can challenge like a ball or a strike call. Yeah, so they only can do two.

SPEAKER_03 17:58

They have a system that can basically replay the pitch and show the placement of that pitch to verify if it was a ball or a strike.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

And then you if you win the challenge, you you can challenge more, and it's just like about choosing when to do it, right?

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Like you get two, you get two a game, yeah, and obviously if you lose it, you lose one.

SPEAKER_03 18:16

But more than one person can challenge it. So I've seen the batter challenge it, and I've seen the pitcher challenge.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

So it's players, so it's only players. Only players can challenge it. Batters, hitter, and the catcher.

SPEAKER_02 18:26

Do you think the pitcher should be able to?

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Actually, no, the pitcher can't be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

The pitcher can challenge it.

SPEAKER_00 18:31

I've said the title.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

But do you think do you think he should be? Because I was reading that like people thought that the pitcher shouldn't be able to, it should just be a little bit more.

SPEAKER_03 18:37

Well, my thing about the ABS that's a little bit hit or miss, right? Is I do understand getting the right calls, right? But when it comes to having a uh hitter box, right, like the and I get like, you know, they they still try to make it, you know, proportionate to the person that's hitting. But yeah, if you're gonna call something that nicks the bottom left of the plate and the top right of the plate both strikes, that's a lot of plate to cover for a hitter. And like you it's almost like if you do run into somebody who's very good at their placement, it's almost impossible to hit every strike. And I think that all strikes should be hittable. You know what I mean? So, for example, if it just if if if if the placement of it is just on the corner, right? Where like only the top of the ball in the ABS system hits the corner of that, like that's considered a strike. But in my head, in my opinion, that's not a hittable ball. Right? So that's the confusion I have with the ABS. It's like, yes, it's a strike because technically it hit the hitter box, but you cannot technically cover the entire hitter box. Which is why it's what's better that a human can look at it and say, Yeah, that might have been a strike, but it's not hittable. You know what I mean? And that's confusing to a lot of people because they're like, how is the strike not hittable? But you have to understand how the box works. You cannot cover that entire box with one swing. It's impossible.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

I understand where he's coming from. I get I actually do okay, I get where he's coming from, and I agree, but I somewhat think that it kind of makes a pitcher's ability, if he's able to pinpoint that great, then that's just amazing to me.

SPEAKER_03 20:10

I feel like that just adds to his to the But if it's a sliver, if it's a sliver in the box, that's considered a strike by the ABS system.

SPEAKER_00 20:18

I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

One other thing about the ABS system. Don't go down looking, that's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

We gotta swing, we gotta swing, man. Look, you gotta swing.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

We gotta try. One other thing about the ABS system that I feel like kind of takes away from the sport is the uh catcher's ability to frame it. Like you're kind of taking away like uh a skill that a catcher has that learned to like say it's something low low, he catches it, bring it up, or it's a little left, he bring it. Like he's framing these pitches. And we've seen in like other baseball games and big games, uh pitcher framing the hell out of a ball and it ended up being a strike, and we know damn well that shit wasn't a strike. And then like that's a skill that they learn being a pitcher. Like, it's that's what some some pitch, uh some not pitcher, some catchers like make their job out of, like, they're great catchers just because of that. Like, and I feel like that kind of takes away from it because if somebody like they frame a good ball and they're like, oh yeah, no, let me let me let me challenge that. It just takes away from what the pit what the catcher did, like showing that like, oh yeah, this is a strike.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

You're not wrong, but like I feel like to counter that, that's what Basal did for to win the game. He it was called a ball, but he where he caught it and he knew, and his that's why he challenged it. Basalio's the one who challenged that ball, that uh the pitch that won us the game that ended up being a strike for strike. I get that final out. So I mean, like, and I mean I'm not wrong, but it's like also you got the other side of it too. It's not like it's just a one sided. Yeah, no, it's not one sided. It's not like one sided, so it's like both sides win win off of it.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

But I just both sides lose. Then they also raised the question of like if we have the technology to get it right every time, why not just use that? Why do we need umpires?

SPEAKER_00 21:54

It's a great question.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

I mean Because the challenges are really quick. They're not like NFL challenges where they.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Sometimes I've seen them call and they're like, and I'm I'm waiting for them to pick the call, and it's like then I already went to the next battery and I'm like, wait, so that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 22:07

So then there's also that question that's raised. It's like, if we can get it right every time, why not get it right every time? Why not just go to the ABS? Is it like a money thing?

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Like, I mean, no, you gotta, and where I would say coming from it, you gotta still keep some tradition to the game. So you can't fully get rid of the umpire.

SPEAKER_03 22:23

I mean, the pitch the pitch clock isn't traditional, but it it made the game way more bearable to watch. Because it's not slow. Yeah. So I'm saying, like, if you can make it better, make it better, right? Regardless of tradition.

SPEAKER_02 22:34

Isn't it like the same thing with the the the chain game and and real quick?

SPEAKER_00 22:38

You can't, and I mean, I I get where you're coming from, but like now you're just asking, like, for what you want, you can only get rid of the one behind the plate because you still need to be around the phone. Yeah, no, no, no. Just behind the plate. Yeah, just like that. That's what I'm saying. So, like, you still have umpires, so it's like just behind the plate. I mean, yeah, I couldn't. Because they would still be there.

SPEAKER_03 22:52

You know, the one, the one black dude, I forget his name, I don't know the umpire's name, but he had a terrible week, bro. He had like three great games where he was missing like CB Buckner, like four or five pitches in a row, bro. It was so bad. I'm like, you're gonna get this man fired.

SPEAKER_01 23:07

I think the same batter, like challenge three pitches that was it was called.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

Bro, is there like any consequence if if the umpire is like No? No, it's just like refs, like public shaming. Yeah, I mean that's it. Social media pretty much it.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

Social media shit. So he's media. I was like, yo, I was like, this man is a terrible uh official, bro.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

Like But it's crazy. They've been saying he was terrible, like even way before. And now you got the proof. It's the proof that he's terrible. Like, why is he still have a job? I don't know, man. I that's what I like when I seen that, and I'm like, uh, it's gonna go bad for some of these umps that aren't good. And it's like when they do see it, like, bro, like that like the one game like where he challenged like three back-to-back pitches and he was wrong every time. Bro, you if you just seen his face when he lost all of those challenges, bro, and then he was so sick of it.

SPEAKER_03 23:54

Like, he was like, then, like two days later, he got smacked in the face by a baseball. I was just like, yo, this man's having a terrible week.

SPEAKER_00 24:03

They just don't like it. But uh aside from the ABS though, and I mean I don't know how like how much everybody's been keeping up with baseball just been going on, but I'm not gonna lie, I'm gonna be real with you guys. The season, we're only like maybe 10-12 games in. I'm loving the season so far. Okay, like the season hasn't been a drive. Overall, yeah. Um, O's fans, listen to me. Please put the camera. Listen, y'all gotta calm down. Please calm down. And to the gentleman to my left on the couch and in the chair, we're okay. All right. You gotta understand this is a new regime of sports in Baltimore, all across the board. We've got a new culture and coaching staff on both teams, Baltimore Ravens and the Baltimore Orioles. We will be okay. Wow, yeah. All right, it's even if this first season is not, yo, we gotta get the wrinkles out. Guess what? And this ain't even about football. Lamar was at OTAs today, day one. Yesterday. Whatever.

SPEAKER_03 24:53

It's crazy because we had to take my Dan Olafsky, right? They had to delete the tweet. They had to delete the tweet, bro. Five minutes later, he was a T. They had to. But my thing, my thing with the Oreos is I understand it is early and it's a long season. I mean, it's 100 plus games. It's a long season. Like, I'm not, I'm not out, I'm not worried. But the only thing that that that uh strikes me the wrong way is that we have the same problems. Like, I at least want to be a good thing. That's literally my issue. Right? Honestly, our again, that's but the players are the same, but I'm saying that's my problem.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

It is it'll it takes time for that to work out.

SPEAKER_03 25:29

Bro, uh coaching, coaching in baseball is different than any other sport, bro. It's not you don't really, these managers don't affect the game like other sports, other sports coaches do. So, in my opinion, it's really because our players just either aren't that good or aren't playing good. For example, Adley Rushman, he's been terrible. He's supposed to be one of our best players. Gunner went off today. Defensively, yes. Yeah, Gunner went off today. He had a home run that gave us the two RBIs that got us the dub. But that's against the White Sox.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

Yeah, but professional team is a professional team. I don't want to hear that. No, we ain't doing that.

SPEAKER_03 26:01

But but hey, they ain't say that when we won 10 in a row, and they say we had the easy schedule, right? Okay, all right, cool. Um I never was on the sign of that. But no, no, no. I'm just saying the the problem is, in my opinion, is we have the same problems, and our bats have regressed. Like, we used to be a team that couldn't pitch, so we had to always score 11 runs a game to win, but now we're not even popping off at the bats for real. Like, and we were clutched today, but our clutch hitting bat, our clutch hitting average isn't that great either. So I'm just trying to find something that's good. That's what I'm trying to find. I'm gonna just we're an average team right now. I'm not gonna say we suck, but I'm just trying to find the thing I can hang on that. Like, all right, the Warriors are good at that, and I don't have that answer.

SPEAKER_01 26:37

I know what's go ahead. I'ma just address like I'm gonna just keep this real short because like I don't like I haven't been watching, but I know what's going on. And it's this like just to piggyback off of what he's saying, bro. It's literally the same thing, and it's been like that for years, and we haven't addressed it. Just because we got new coaches, doesn't mean it's gonna fucking change, bro. We can't fucking pitch. That like, bro, you can't you can't coach. I mean Bob J sa's hurt. Bob J's hurt.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

New coaches in a new regime change for help for y'all? I mean it's it did, but just in the Super Bowl, bro. I don't know. This is baseball. It's a different thing. This is baseball, my nigga. It's a difference, bro.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

We are not getting good pitches, even though I know a lot of our people are hurt. A lot of our people are hurt, like a lot of our good players are hurt, but bro, I'm tired of us not going pitching, not throwing people out. That's what I'm saying. And like, bro, we're not getting better at pitching, bro. At some point, we gotta we gotta look at it like why are we not getting getting some different type of pitches that we have? We haven't been able to pitch for like four years, even with a hundred. I'm a Moto nigga. Even with even even when we had a hundred games, we won a hundred games two years ago, we still couldn't pitch then because we got to play games.

SPEAKER_03 27:40

Because we just got hot back.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Exactly, bro. We gotta start being real with the Orioles. We gotta get some better pitches, bro. Like, we always have good hitches, hitters. Bro, we're gonna lose Gunner because we can't fucking pitch. Like, let's be real. We can't sign him because nobody wants to pay him, and now we can't pitch, he wants to win. I wouldn't even be mad if he leaves because he good he wants to go to a team that's gonna give him like winning stats and like be able to go.

SPEAKER_03 28:03

We ain't trading up. That's what I'm gonna have to go up. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

Like, bro, we gotta be real. We have to stop looking at these games and saying, like, oh yeah, we'll still be okay. Bro, it's the same issues. It's the same issues. I can't say I'm gonna be able to do it. It's the beginning, it's the beginning of the season, stuff can change, and I hope it does. But bro, we still can't fucking pitch. Yeah, like it doesn't make sense, like it never will make sense. If that doesn't change, we're not gonna be good. Like at all.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

What you got?

SPEAKER_00 28:34

It's a new regime. I'm gonna be optimistic until game 161. All right, and that's I like I said, I get that to you. Like, I understand. Like, bro, like I'm like I said, y'all not wrong. I understand where y'all coming from. You just got PTSD.

SPEAKER_03 28:47

Very good. I get it.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

And because I listen, we I understand. I was that's how I was two like over the last year, two years. I don't know why, yo. It's just like because we got like and I don't know. I'm I'm probably a delu, I'll probably be one of those delusional Baltimore sports fans. That's cool, that's fine. But because we got a new regime all across the board, I'm okay. The things that y'all are saying, you're absolutely right. The pitching's bad. If I'm being honest with you, I'm not happy with the pitches that we got right now. But again, like I just said, that ain't gonna happen overnight or even in one season. It's gonna take some time. So all the things that you upset about that you just went off about, and that shit is you gotta at least give it about like a season a season and a half. So you give it this full year, we give it a game.

SPEAKER_03 29:31

I've given it my whole life.

SPEAKER_00 29:34

I understand, I get it. But right now be optimistic, man. Just be happy. I'm optimistic. I bet you a trade. I mean, I'm still optimistic, man. I'm actually gonna like listen, I'm upset because I I didn't go to no games last year. I was I was one of those people because we was losing, I just didn't want to be part of it. I ain't gonna do that this year. I'm gone. I'll be there Saturday.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

Yeah, I'll be there on the fourth.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

You know what I mean? We we're gonna actually support the guys, but I will end it with, like I said, um, you're not wrong. Like, you are obviously like the pitching is not good. Um I want to say what? Who was it? Uh I was not happy when we had to pull Zach Efflin. He's supposed to be like damn near our number two, if not our second or three. What really kind of shocked me was the fact that finding out Trevor Rogers is our ace. That kind of blew my mind. Because when you look at aces across the league, you got Yamamoto, you got fucking Paul Skeens.

SPEAKER_03 30:24

The games had a terrible intro to the season.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

All right, but his fault completely hit.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

O'Neill Cruz, my guy.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

Shout out to your boy M B, like Joel tweeted Joel said, M B. I mean, uh Cruz, it's time for you to learn DH because bro, you should not. First of all, it's fucked up. O'Neill Kills is a shortstop, but they had him in center field.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

Centerfield. Why was he out there?

SPEAKER_00 30:47

I mean, granted, he's been playing center field for like the last year and a half.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

And I'm like, Bro, it's harder than it looks, bro. Of course, it's really harder. It's harder than it looks like.

SPEAKER_03 30:55

Bro, you know, harder it is to go to the MLB.

SPEAKER_02 30:57

Look, all I'm saying is, bro, people make mistakes, bro. We human. Humans make mistakes, bro. Nah, fuck it.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

I mean, I'm gonna be real game. I'm not on your side of it, but I don't fully agree with you either. Cause like, I'm sorry, nigga. Like he's out of position. He's out of position. He's out of position. He's out of position. It's also not one of the top guys. We're not talking about a Mookie Betts and a Cunha, uh Trey Turner. Bro, it's a Jo'neal Cruz. It's a normal fly ball. He didn't have no shades on. You dumbass for that. You're in the outfield with no shades on it. It's a routine fly ball. Outfield with no shades on. He was relying on his hat to block the sun. He couldn't see shit.

SPEAKER_03 31:28

That's like saying it's okay for a receiver to drop a pass. We understand that. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 31:34

There's no curtains and Jerry Well.

SPEAKER_02 31:37

But how many pop-ups does a shortstop get compared to an outfielder? It's like a not as many, no. Exactly. You see what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 31:42

So it's like only infield pop-ups, and usually the the the catcher or the pitcher might clean that up.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

Yeah, only like all the corners, like four thirds. When it's outfield, bro, you got so much space to cover, bro. And like you said, he ain't had no shades on.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

But I would argue playing shortstop is harder than center field because you have to make plays in both the outfield players. Well, you have to think.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

No, you have to think. I get it.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

Because you know, you gotta double plays, right? You gotta. Don't bullshit that. You know, shortstop's the hardest. You just gotta think hardest position. You just gotta think. Like, don't bullshit that, bro. Like, don't bullshit that, bro. It's tough.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

All I'm saying is you gotta track that ball down out there in that outfield.

SPEAKER_02 32:17

It's crazy. I think when the infield. Bro, you got a ground ball, you gotta decide.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

What's the second hardest position in football? I said second. What's the second hardest position called? We always agree of forces quarterback. What's the second hardest? I think to perform the corner. So, and what are the cornerbacks doing out there on the field? They're tracking a ball down in the air that's coming at fast as shit while defending the bigger. What is the outfielder doing? Tracking a motherfucker that looks like this in the sunlight, a pinpoint. Come on, guy. Like, I'm just saying, it's not, I'm not saying short, like it's not. Yes, shortstop is harder, but like we're not going to diminish the fact that uh playing outfield is extremely fucking hard.

SPEAKER_02 32:54

I mean, but I think the the role, all you have to do in the outfield is just catch the pop up, hit the cutoff man, and that's it.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

Ah, it ain't that easy.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

I know it's not that easy, but I'm saying versus you see what Joel did.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

They got shifts or four millions.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

I'm just saying versus playing in the infield, it's just a lot more you gotta like shorts I can keep track of. If we're just comparing the two, I think infield is harder than the outfield. Because I think it's more responsibilities infield wise. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 33:26

The shortstop get more scenarios to fucking deal with. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 33:29

You got a man on you got a man on first and third, you get a ground ball, you you you freeze for a second to think about where you should go with the ball. Old boy already scored.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

But it's but but y'all agree to this it's clear as clear as we can see a shortstop cannot do what an outfielder can do. Oh, no, obviously.

SPEAKER_03 33:43

Yeah, I know. All right, well, he shouldn't be as good. You can agree on that.

SPEAKER_00 33:48

I'll I'll take that. I'll take that. Deal with still bad. I'll take that. But um, like I said, you know, um, so baseball, that's pretty much that's going on right now. We'll definitely be getting into a lot of these conversations as the season goes on. But my brother, right here, has got a game for us to play with.

SPEAKER_03 34:01

What's goodie? All right, guys. So the game we're about to play, right? Um, it's kind of like a this or that kind of game, right? I'm gonna put two things against each other, I call it the hard-to-choose. All right, hard-to-choose game. Okay. It's you know, all of we talk about NFL, NBA, sports in general, we talk about movies and music. So I'm gonna bounce around all three, and I'm gonna just ask y'all, all right?

SPEAKER_02 34:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:20

So I'm gonna start with the NFL. All right. And I wanna ask. Let's try this one first. Um, let's go with Julio Jones or Megatron.

unknown 34:30

Megatron.

SPEAKER_03 34:31

Megatron.

SPEAKER_02 34:32

Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna go. I was Megatron. Clean sweep. Clean sweep. Megatron is my favorite receiver, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:38

Clean sweep? All right. I I was Julio Jones just from the skills standpoint, but I do understand. Megatron.

SPEAKER_02 34:43

But he had two people lining up on him on the goal line, but I've never seen that before. I've never seen that. I've never seen that before, bro.

SPEAKER_03 34:51

All right. Um, I'm gonna do another NFL and then I'm gonna bounce around. Um the 24-25 Eagles or the 21-22 Rams.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

Like team-wise? Yes, full team? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 35:05

Eagles.

SPEAKER_01 35:06

Not it, not even biased.

SPEAKER_02 35:07

Who was on that 21-22 Rams team?

SPEAKER_03 35:09

Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald, Todd Curley, Jared, Robert Woods. That was the year that uh what's your name got the triple crown cup?

SPEAKER_00 35:18

I think I'm being around.

SPEAKER_03 35:19

Max Stasley versus Jalen Hurts.

SPEAKER_01 35:21

I don't care. And now I'm being biased. We lock it, we lock it Cooper Cup up 24-25 uh Eagles defense locking that shit up.

SPEAKER_00 35:29

Coop is Coop is barbecuing uh fucking Quenyan and Coop. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 35:33

Come on now.

SPEAKER_00 35:34

Come on, bro. That year Coop got the triple crown. I think I'm gonna trust Stephanie. I'm gonna go for the Rams. I'm gonna go for the Rams. I think I'm gonna go Ram.

SPEAKER_03 35:41

I give you that.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

Robert Woods, I give you that, but everybody else is getting clamped. Gurley, nigga. Everybody else is getting clamped. Everybody else is getting clamped. Cooper Cup might get his, everybody else is getting clampt. I just trust Stephan when it hurts me. He's cooking. Everybody else is getting clamped.

SPEAKER_03 35:56

Alright, I'm gonna bounce. I'm gonna bounce to the NBA. I'm gonna bounce to the NBA. Alright. Kyrie Irving or S G A?

SPEAKER_01 36:03

Kyrie Irving. Kyrie.

SPEAKER_03 36:04

Kyrie. Kyrie. Kyrie.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

Are we talking like prime?

SPEAKER_03 36:06

This period. Who do you think is the better basketball? Kyrie, bro.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

Kyrie.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

I love Kyrie. I'm loving Kyrie, bro.

SPEAKER_02 36:13

You gonna miss the foul bait? I get what you think. I can see that.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

Are we gonna just pick it Kyrie because like other moments, like just Kyrie, Kyrie.

SPEAKER_03 36:23

Like if they play if I wouldn't say one-on-one because Kyrie can't play defense. Like SGA can't. But if if if if Kyrie and SGA went head to head, who do you see having the better game? In in 505 regular scenario.

SPEAKER_00 36:37

I think SGA gets a lot of fun. Pete versus Pete.

SPEAKER_03 36:42

Whatever you think about. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

I think Kyrie's Pete. Kyrie from the offseason, but before he went to the Celtics, to SGA's championship year.

SPEAKER_02 36:51

Like like Cleveland, like like Kev's Kyrie.

SPEAKER_00 36:53

I didn't want to put Kev because that just leaves it open. I want specifically the offseason they won a championship before he left to go to Boston. I don't know, bro.

SPEAKER_02 37:00

Kyrie was doing some crazy stuff, bro. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 37:03

But then you look at SGA.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

But how much of that is just like I hate to keep bringing up the file baiting, but like how much of that is that?

SPEAKER_01 37:11

I'm I'm going side Kyrie solely off of entertainment. Shea's the mid-range.

SPEAKER_02 37:16

Kyrie broke in knock down to three. That's still can SGA get to the get to the back.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

I'm not gonna lie. This is hella bias. Solely off of entertainment, Kyrie fucking airman. Bro, he's so crazy to watch, bro.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

Alright. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go to music. I'm gonna put two albums against each other. Alright. We kind of just had this debate loosely, but it's not about the artists, right? That's not about the artists, about the album. This is about to be future. Alright. So I got the Carter 3 or DS2.

SPEAKER_00 37:45

Fuck! Oh man. Come on. Like, did you what does he does he do you know about these packs? Like, come on. I don't want to revisit this. I feel like this nigga John about to spawn in the room and start a whole argument again, bro. Come on.

SPEAKER_03 37:55

Carter three or DS2? I got Carter 3, but it's closer than you think it is, bro. Like it's a.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

Which one is that? Is that Millie? Lollipop. Lollipop.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

I feel like I gotta go Carter 3, bro. Okay, we'll see on DS2.

SPEAKER_03 38:10

I'll be forgetting. DS2 is a crazy summer. Lower bag, where you at? Where you at?

SPEAKER_00 38:15

What's on that one?

SPEAKER_01 38:15

Real Sisters, oh my God. This one's like probably the hardest. News or something. I feel like you I You're not.

SPEAKER_03 38:22

I'm not asking you to pick between Wayne and Future. I'll ask you to pick just the album. Just the albums. I still got Carter 3, though, but.

SPEAKER_02 38:30

Bro, I just feel like neither of them have any skips, bro. Like they don't. That's why I feel like Carter III is a more impactful album than DS2 was. You know what I mean? Like for him.

SPEAKER_03 38:41

Yeah, because T took over a whole song. I get it, bro. But like the thing is, Carter 3 leaked and went platinum. It went platinum on a leak. And then when he dropped it, it went platinum again. Just compared to some songs.

SPEAKER_02 38:52

What's the hardest song on DS2?

SPEAKER_00 38:56

It comes down to personal preference.

SPEAKER_03 38:58

How does hardest song on the side of it? It's some tough stuff on there. Then there's some party vibes on there. Then it's like uh in between where it could be either one. And then I get what you're saying, though, because like lollipop and a milly are probably bigger than anything that's gonna be. Nothing stands up to that.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

You know what I mean? Like, I'm gonna go card at three, but like as far as like what my favorite song, bro, fuck up some commas was crazy. Bro, I love bull bag, bro. A bull bang.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

I ain't gonna hold y'all, bro. Just for the sake of like what I because I because of me, I'm going DS2.

SPEAKER_02 39:28

I'm not mad at that, bro.

SPEAKER_00 39:30

But I just re-looked at with that, and I'm gonna be real with you. I'm not mad. I loved Wayne, I love that the all the cards, but I'm at a 50-50 50 50 split. No me and what I bump, I'm probably I'm listening to this entire time.

SPEAKER_01 39:41

That's the only thing. I'm at a 50-50 split because I know how like the weight of Carter 3 was. That's that's that's the point I'm making, bro. Like, but like I I am probably will like turn on DS too. But like this, I'm at a 50-50 split, bro. That's all I'm doing. This dude was so cool.

SPEAKER_03 39:53

Alright, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go to movies. Alright, I'm gonna go to movies or cinema. I'm gonna put, I'm gonna put, let's say I got uh Batman or Dark Knight versus Avengers Endgame.

unknown 40:06

Endgame.

SPEAKER_03 40:07

Dark Knight and Endgame. I think I'm gonna go in game.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

Dark Knight was the second one, right? Yeah, because it was Batman beginning. Endgame.

SPEAKER_02 40:14

Endgame, I'm going in game. I'm going in-game. Yeah, I gotta go in game. Dark Knight was good though, but like in game, I just felt like that was just like a moment. Like everybody going to the theaters, everybody hyped for it, trying to avoid the spoilers. Like, I feel like in-game, I think in game came.

SPEAKER_01 40:30

I was heavy in that shit at the moment. Like, bro, I gotta go.

SPEAKER_02 40:33

Bro, well, Kat picked up Thor's hammer. What? Bro, like crazy.

SPEAKER_03 40:37

On your left. Alright, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna bounce to the NBA now. 2019 Raptors or 2020 Lakers.

SPEAKER_00 40:45

Who's the 2019 Raptors?

SPEAKER_03 40:47

That is the first thing.

SPEAKER_02 40:48

The team that beat uh Golden State. Yeah, that's Kawhi. They got there off a lucky bounce. That was that year?

SPEAKER_00 40:54

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_03 40:55

Uh Danny Green and uh obviously that's the bubble, right?

SPEAKER_00 40:57

The bubble.

SPEAKER_01 40:58

Yeah, within bubble championship.

SPEAKER_02 40:59

I didn't like that Raptors team, bruh. Plus KD got hurt.

SPEAKER_03 41:03

2020 Lakers was LeBron, uh, Dwight Howard, Danny Green, Avery Bradley, yeah, JaVale McGee.

SPEAKER_01 41:10

JaVale McGee. I'm gonna go. Even though I don't think like neither one of them teams was that crazy, I'm gonna have to go 2019.

SPEAKER_00 41:17

I'm going, I'm going Lakers. I'm going Lakers.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

Yeah, I'm going Lakers too.

SPEAKER_00 41:20

I ain't even gonna lie.

SPEAKER_03 41:21

All right, back to the NFL. Um this might be easy, but Lamar Jackson or Michael Vick. I'm going Lamar.

SPEAKER_01 41:31

I love Michael Vick. I'm going Lamar.

SPEAKER_03 41:33

Yeah, Lamar. He's like, why would you even ask that?

SPEAKER_00 41:37

I mean, yeah, I gotta go Lamar, of course.

unknown 41:39

Come on now.

SPEAKER_03 41:40

Alright, I'll do three more, three more. Um let's stay in the NFL and let's go back to teams. The 13-14 Seahawks, that's LOB. Or the 15-16 Broncos. That's that's Von Prime Von Miller, Camden Newton Super Bowl. So you're talking about LOB or the Broncos from the UDB, Cameron and the Were You looking at the whole team, not just the defense.

SPEAKER_01 42:08

Or like the Broncos team wasn't that good. Yeah. That defense wasn't as wasn't as it wasn't as built. That defense wasn't as built as it was in 15. Um both both teams hold weight on the defensive side. The offense is like null and void for both of these teams.

SPEAKER_03 42:24

So the 15-16 Broncos, that was the last year of Peyton Manning.

SPEAKER_02 42:28

But the Denver offense wasn't that bad. Minus Peyton that year. Russ was cooking too, these rookies.

SPEAKER_03 42:34

Yeah, Russ was cooking. Russ was cooking. Yeah. I mean, I'm taking the. Me personally, I'm taking the Seahawks just because of how they demolished Peyton Manning in that Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_01 42:45

I'm taking the Seahawks.

SPEAKER_03 42:46

The game was over in the second quarter.

SPEAKER_02 42:47

I'm just, I'm just literally me, I'm just looking at the defenses and like that the Denver pass rush. Like I remember, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:54

That game is the reason why. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 42:57

Um Vaughn Miller, Vaughn, Demarcus Ware, Ware.

SPEAKER_03 43:01

And then you're talking about LOB, where you got uh Richard Sherman, Cam, Ashley, Earl Thomas.

SPEAKER_00 43:06

Don't get me wrong though, I'm not gonna lie. They had uh them the Denver had they had the no-fly zone going. That was the no-fly zone.

SPEAKER_01 43:12

Talid, Chris Harris, Chris Harris, TJ Wolf. I'm gonna be real. That's Seahawks defense. That Seahawks defense is the reason why recent Super Bowls are not played in the cold. That's all I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_02 43:23

I think I'm gonna go Seahawks. I think I'm gonna go Seahawks too, yeah. I'm gonna go Seahawks.

SPEAKER_03 43:27

All right, and then I'll I'll do one more in the sake of time. Um I'm gonna stay on the NFL. Um, Aaron Donald or Miles Garrett?

SPEAKER_01 43:36

Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald.

SPEAKER_03 43:37

Aaron Donald. That's an easy one. Aaron Donald, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:39

Garrett got a sack record though. Uh Aaron's got 10 straight all pro years.

unknown 43:44

All right.

SPEAKER_03 43:45

10 straight all pros. I have some more left. We can bring him back and get the game back in another episode or something, but I appreciate y'all for playing my game.

SPEAKER_02 43:51

I ain't gonna lie, that music was that DSC was crazy. That was a crazy one.

SPEAKER_03 43:58

That was a crazy one, bro. Let us know in the comments what y'all think.

SPEAKER_00 44:02

Alright. And I guess this is uh this will be our last topic. Honestly, it might be our biggest topic. I don't really feel like we're not even really going music right now. We're just it's what the music artists are talking about. Um shit. I'll let y'all ask y'all where y'all want to start. Uh in most recent okay, let me let's just get fuck it. The Pooh Shyste and Gucci Man situation, uh Pooh Shyste apparently held this man hostage in a Dallas studio and pretty much forced him to sign the papers of his release so that he could get out of the contract. Now I just want to get into the conference. Like I had to just break that to the people, but I want to ask y'all, did y'all know that that first of all, do y'all know when that happened?

SPEAKER_02 44:42

It was a long time.

SPEAKER_00 44:43

Bro, that shit happened. Yes, that shit happened. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_03 44:46

I did not know that.

SPEAKER_00 44:47

Bro, it happened January 10th.

SPEAKER_03 44:49

And it just like it only broke that way because of I think the recent I think it only came back up because when they when it go ahead, you got a.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

I was gonna say when they when they went on internet flashing the jewelry. Yeah, that's what I was about to say. Bro, so I remember like I want to say last week, maybe two weeks ago, I got wind of like I see the videos was popping up of the dudes flashing the jewelry and everything online, and like they had the rumors about a situation was going on. But you know how the internet is. Like, I definitely wasn't paying that shit no mind. I didn't really think like, oh, this is some serious shit.

SPEAKER_04 45:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:19

Unfortunately, it wasn't until they came out and said, Oh yeah, Pooh Shisty's been arrested for such such. And I was like, Oh, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_03 45:25

I thought that was 830, his dad, uh him. Bro, that's the dumbest crime I've ever seen anyone commit.

SPEAKER_00 45:32

Well, because he was at the halfway house, left there to go do that on an ankle monitor.

SPEAKER_03 45:35

Like, bro, bro, bro, you already being tracked the entire time, right? So they knew they knew, they knew when, first of all, they came across state lines with guns, right? That's already a charge. So they already knew that they was crossing state lines. When he was not where he was supposed to be on his ankle monitor, he got a phone call from his P.O. before the robbery asking him, why are you where you are right now? And he said, I have permission to be here because it's a business like meeting. So it's like, all right, your PO probably was like, all right, cool, it's a business meeting. Left it at that. Bro, you go in there, you lock the door, you pull out a gun on bro and say, yo, sign these papers.

SPEAKER_02 46:09

Bro, he got executives with him, bro.

SPEAKER_03 46:10

He don't got like He didn't have no entourage or nothing. He had one white guy who was an undercover cop.

SPEAKER_00 46:15

Exactly. Wasn't no like, I it wasn't no like street type of dudes in that situation with the city.

SPEAKER_03 46:20

Gucci would never have thought that that was gonna happen to him. But what did he think? We know we know.

SPEAKER_00 46:24

They're on video too. There's the surveillance, they have the surveillance footage, but yo yoking up the niggas walking through the uh the lobby, yoking this nigga Gucci man up, bro.

SPEAKER_03 46:32

Like Yo, we know the history of Gucci. When he know a robbery coming, you when when when Wilson ain't when when Jesus sent a man to go rob him, he killed him. That's Pookie Low. He talks about him in all his songs, and if you've seen the verses, he dragged on him in his face. You sent your man's and I put him in a box. That's what he said. So, first of all, I think he would never even have shot back at Pooh because I don't feel like the way Pooh feels about him, he don't feel about Pooh. You know what I mean? Like, I don't feel like he has animosity on his end. I think Pooh Sicey, yeah. Yeah. I think Pooh Sicey got out of jail and said, yo, I'm bigger than this bullshit ass contract that I'm on, and I need to get out of this so I can make more money.

SPEAKER_00 47:04

So I'm gonna I dug a little deeper. And I mean it's probably just reaching, I don't know, the internet be talking about shit, but um, I think really a lot of the issues stem from like, is this is years ago. Yeah, I remember like a Gucci man done really got the best track record when it comes to artists with 1070.

SPEAKER_03 47:18

Yeah, I think. But that's not all him, bro. Like, these artists, they get signed and then they go right back to the trap and do and keep trapping. Who else was? Now it's just Fujiana. Now it's Fujian.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

Yeah, now it's just like like you had Pooh Shisty, Fujiano.

SPEAKER_03 47:32

You had Big Walk Dog, you had Hot Boy West, you had Enchanting Scar, yeah. Enchanting, yeah, um shit, man.

SPEAKER_00 47:39

Some and then like a couple other niggas. But then like, so but y'all remember back when Big Scar had died and the whole situation had happened.

SPEAKER_03 47:45

I remember that.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

So niggas is pretty much trying to say that like a lot of the animosity and a lot of the issues, it really ain't even gotta do. Like, I all because you asked for the chains back though? That was his cousin. You gotta think about it. Pooch I used to be wired different, and now we're understanding and realizing these Memphis youngers does just wire different.

SPEAKER_03 48:00

But bro, bro, why would I why would I let non-1017 people rock my chains? Like, like, it that's like that's like you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_00 48:06

You, you, get, you're right.

SPEAKER_03 48:08

I'm saying that's a that's like that's like that's like your cousin, that's like your cousin being a crip, right? And he died, and you say, Oh, I can wear his flag because he's a crip. No, you're not a crip, bro.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

But these young niggas don't use logic or thought process, bro. You we know this.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

Like, well, I mean, what did what did he think? How did he think it was gonna go like walking in there like he obviously he didn't think that him walking out of there was was gonna be fine, like it it's a lot, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 48:28

Like I said, I don't know if it's ever the truth is gonna come out, but it's just so much to it, because like they put like I said, the issues with the with the uh he had issues for the whole scar situation, so he wasn't trying to fuck with Gucci because it's still pay for the free. And then, yeah, no, but that's what I'm saying, like it you gotta think about it from put yourself in a pooh shisty Memphis young nigga mindset. I don't know if I wasn't. Don't give a fuck about none of that.

SPEAKER_03 48:47

You just spent what two, three years in the feds.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

I'm not saying this shit makes sense or it's right. I'm just saying y'all gotta think about it from Pooh's lot from the last time.

SPEAKER_02 48:53

Well then Gucci signed that shit under the rest, bro. So that shit was null and void anyway.

SPEAKER_03 48:57

Yeah, let's be real.

SPEAKER_02 48:58

That the contract, like to get him out of his contract, Gucci signing that shit was under the rest. It was under the rest of it's gonna be honored.

SPEAKER_00 49:04

Yeah, let's be real. But also, another not the country, but like also another thing they were saying was that he was doing all this because the nigga literally push Ice was finna literally go sign with Yo Gotti. So he was literally going to go link up with Gucci ops.

SPEAKER_03 49:15

So you thought you was gonna rob a nigga and see the light of day to sign with someone else?

SPEAKER_01 49:18

So like I'm gonna just be real with this. Like, bro, we all know, we all know, we all know, we all know what Gucci was before. Like, let's be real. If Gucci wanted to, if he didn't want to take it to fucking, like, you know, feds, he would've got that nigga Pooh killed. Straight up. That nigga wouldn't have been walking.

SPEAKER_03 49:36

That's what I'm saying. He probably called you. That's what I said.

SPEAKER_01 49:40

That's why I like because like the thing that confused me online, like, oh yeah, Gucci a bitch now. Bro, he literally killed niggas. Like let's be real. I mean, Gucci do that shit, bro. Like, come on now.

SPEAKER_00 49:52

Gucci almost, bro, and he like don't even need to be like, I'm also first of all, let I'm look, say what you want about me for making this statement, but if niggas is like making it seem like some crazy thing that this nigga Gucci did have any type of cooperation in this situation, you niggas is insane. Like, like you literally, like you just said, what the fuck would keep Gucci man from wanting to keep this shit street? Why would the nigga want to do anything like this?

SPEAKER_03 50:13

Bro, that's what I would that's what I was about to say. That's what I was about to say. Do y'all think that, you know, I was in a paper where they say that he identified Pooch Icey, right? Is that snitching?

SPEAKER_00 50:21

Bro, who would be like? I would have too, bro. Who the fuck, bro? He did his bit. Nigga put me on the couch and putting a gun better in my head. I niggas said silent.

SPEAKER_03 50:31

The internet is like, yo, you're supposed to be this street nigga, you supposed to be the same. He did the jail.

SPEAKER_01 50:37

He did his jail time. So he hopped out of jail and got married, dog, had a kid. He's not trying to go back to jail.

SPEAKER_03 50:43

They rather him pop, they rather him pop one of his man's, go to jail for the rest of his life. Like, I don't understand that, bro. Like, and I get it. They be like, oh, you street nigga, you're supposed to stand by the code. That's the code. You either, you either, you, you just let it you take it on the chin, right? You got robbed. Boom, that's it.

SPEAKER_00 50:56

And that's why the streets are so full of.

SPEAKER_01 50:58

Now, now let's be real. Let's be real. Every street nigga, every street nigga that's been to jail for a long time and they come out, I'm pretty sure most of them say, fuck that code if they got a big deal. I mean, that's why Gucci is who he is right now. Let's be real. The code goes out of goes out the window when they do more than a certain amount of time in jail. That code don't mean shit to nobody.

SPEAKER_02 51:17

But you're trying to be a family man. You trying to raise your kid? He got to take a nine to five, bro.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

Bro, come on now. Like, let's be real. Like, bro, that nigga push actually was gonna go back to jail regardless. Even that, he was gonna be dead. So either way, he wasn't winning. Bro, no.

SPEAKER_03 51:30

He wasn't winning. Nothing about the situation made any sense.

SPEAKER_01 51:33

It didn't. It was stupid.

SPEAKER_02 51:34

Real quick before we and this is the time, can we switch to the show?

SPEAKER_00 51:37

Yeah, so another thing that was happening that uh a lot of shit came out today. Offset was uh shot at the Miami Hotel, uh, what was the hotel um casino? It was a casino. Yeah, the Miami Hotel Casino was shot and on Sunday, it was Sunday or yesterday. No, Monday. It was Monday. He was shot on Monday, and today the biggest thing about that is come to find out is that apparently Lil TJ was the one that shot him. Now, we don't know for sure who bought a trigger, yeah. But Lil TJ was recorded coming out of the uh the precinct and was pretty much digging on offset, telling him, oh, that nigga offset a rat, he a snitch. Off of that alone, niggas is saying, oh yeah, the little TJ Niggas be pretty much saying TJ told on himself because you're not gonna sit there come out mad as shit, calling a nigga a rat, he a snitch. Yeah, yeah. He if you didn't do what he, you know what I'm saying, you he's so-called rat on you.

SPEAKER_03 52:22

But the problem behind it is, and and people have spoke out on Twitter about this too, and not just Twitter people, I'm talking about actual, like real like celebrities and stuff who've been in like dice games and stuff with Des Bryant, right? Yeah, Des Bryant had posted something too where he like, yo, offset don't pay his debts. That was the whole thing. So offset up being a dice game, he'll go down and they try to bop off and dare you to challenge him. So so TJ, he he did the story is he tried to bop off on a debt that he owed TJ, and TJ ain't go like that. Well, you see, that's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_02 52:51

I didn't owe that. He owed Ebro money too, because offset and Ebro bet on the Super Bowl. It was like $5,000. And I think Ebro won and he hit offset, and offset just was like, he never responded. And Ebro was like, I I never I never pressed him about it, because but he knows offset owed him some bread from the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_03 53:06

And that's it. Dez was like, yo, he owed me money, but I ain't pressed him because he had his old entourage, and I was myself. So he was like, yo, like, yo, he offset has a history of owing niggas money and not paying.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

Dez Bryant, Ebro, TJ, like All I'm saying is, I don't care what offset did. Lil' T J Lil TJ lame as shit. I don't fuck with that nigga. That nigga. I don't care. I don't care what happened. Lil' TJ lame as fuck. I don't, bro. He I hate that nigga, bro. Like in recent years, he's been on bullshit. That's nigga's music.

SPEAKER_00 53:36

Fuck that nigga little TJ.

SPEAKER_02 53:40

That's all it is, bro. This is like some of the music, bro.

SPEAKER_00 53:42

That nigga's a bitch. That's the way we're gonna end up.

SPEAKER_02 53:46

And y'all, yeah, y'all fucking with the offset Owen Dents, bro. Like, no. That's crazy, man.

SPEAKER_00 53:52

They did get it back in blood.

SPEAKER_03 53:53

It's blood all over the casino. That nigga alive, though.

SPEAKER_00 53:56

That nigga was out there on the s he was out in the uh the hotel roast, nigga. Nigga still fuck you niggas. In a wheelchair. Fuck you. That bitch out. But I already know that's choice. It's another episode of the Fourth Down Podcast. It's your boy League and the guys. We'll catch you on the next one.

SPEAKER_02 54:14

And as always, thanks for being my friend.