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SPEAKER_01 0:35

Alright, I want to welcome everybody back in to another episode of the Fourth Down Podcast. Back at it again with the normal guys, Dorian, Dream Leek.

SPEAKER_02 0:43

What's up? What do you do?

SPEAKER_01 0:44

How y'all? How y'all how y'all feeling today, man?

SPEAKER_02 0:46

Good, man. Single to Mayo. You know what I'm saying? Them tacos flowing. The tequila is rising. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Hey man, uh, you know what else is rising? Take a sales for the Michael Jackson movie, bro. I mean, like, I personally haven't seen it yet, but I still want to see it. I know y'all saw it. What were y'all thoughts? Y'all think it was good? It left something out.

SPEAKER_02 1:05

Like, um, I mean, I can kick it off for that. Like, I thought it was a really good movie from the standpoint of it kind of showed, you know, his childhood and a lot of the like traumas and stuff he dealt with, rising to become a star. Um, a lot of the criticism the movie got was from the from where it ended. Yeah. Um, because a lot of people felt like, you know, it was basically half his life, which I believe was on purpose because I've seen they're gonna make another part to show that second half of his adulthood. They confirmed that actually. Yeah. Okay, they did. Yeah, it's starts filming. I was saying rumors, but I didn't know if it was officially there. Um, but I think one of the biggest things that stood out to me about Mike was like we kind of understood his transition, you know what I mean, from like, you know, being a child into the star that we all knew him to be. But one of the biggest things that stuck out to me was like how he he couldn't really separate himself from his family. I think we all know about the Jackson 5 and all that, but like we don't really know all the like in and workings of like how that kind of broke apart. Yeah. Um, and it was more so like he just outgrew him. You know what I mean? Like the Jackson 5 kind of put him on a map, of course. He was the lead singer. Um, but his stardom got too big, and he got to a point where he was like, yo, I can do this by myself. I don't really need to tour um with you guys as much anymore. And his dad didn't really like that, and that created a rift between them. Um and that shows throughout the movie. Like him and his dad never really had a good relationship, and he was probably the most abused one out of all his, all his brothers. So like um, I like how they, you know, really showed us that relationship because I feel like that was the focus of the movie. Like his stardom really came towards the end of the movie, in my opinion, but throughout the very beginning, it showed us like their relationship and their dynamics that I didn't really know being a young guy when he when he died. You know, I was like 14 when he died.

SPEAKER_03 2:45

So I I was just about to ask as somebody that hasn't seen the movie either, and also, but also I'm just to get this out the way, like I mean, I'm not saying I'm not a Michael fan, but at the same time, like I'm not going out of my way to listen to the music. I know that it's great, I know that he's a generational talent and artist, but for someone that isn't like as enamored and like pulled in by Michael Jackson, you know, his music and the man on it, like, is it a good movie? Like, I was just listening to you explain like how they show the dynamic of his uh relationship with his father. Like, I was just wondering, like, is it a good movie in terms of like learning about like what he went through and things like that? So I'm assuming from what you were saying, it does give it a lot.

SPEAKER_00 3:22

I feel like that is a perfect depiction of if you're uh too young to know who Michael Jackson is, or if you never really looked into his story. For me, it was for me, because like I was really young when Michael Jackson died, but I always loved Michael Jackson when I was little. My family played Michael Jackson a lot. So like I never really knew how deep his like like relationship was with the rest of his family and the rest and his father. So for me, it kind of showed me the side of Michael Jackson that like I've never like nobody ever like fully explained to me. So it's like um my takeaway from the movie was it's like it showed a child star growing up, you know, having to deal with his father's, his father's bullshit and all that. And then if you've seen in the movie, when he hit his 20s and he started to sell on his own, he was still a kid. Like Mike, Mike was a kid for most of his life because he never got to be one. So when he separated from his family, so when he separated from his family, it was like I can do what the fuck I want now. Like him and Bill, like him and his security guard, like he was able to show like he was able to express himself the way he was. That's why he brought so many animals. That's why he brought, he named his, he named his whole estate fucking Neverland. It was like he it it kind of I kinda understand like why he was the way he was.

SPEAKER_02 4:41

And that showed that showed in that one scene. Um, you remember when his uh his brothers was out there and they was playing basketball? And he comes back and he's like, hey guys, you want to play Twitter, Twister? And they were mind you, they're all like 20 plus. He's like, yo, let's play Twister. Like they're playing basketball, and they're like, Man, we ain't playing on Twister. I got gay tonight. Like, right. He's like, you guys are no, you guys are no fun, but you gotta think, you know what I'm saying? If you if you from seven, eight, nine, ten years old having forced to, you know, record and practice and dance instead of actually playing and making friends, by the time you do get that freedom, you're like, okay, now I get to play, but now you're a grown adult. So that's kind of like, you know, from the standpoint of those people who oppose Mike or or look down on Mike for how he was as an adult, called him, you know, calling him weird and all that stuff for things he liked. And then, you know, he he he uh felt more comfortable talking to kids than adults and stuff. That's because he never truly grew up. So do you know? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 5:33

So I'm not gonna lie, that's actually kind of crazy. I like just like I said, as a person that's like, obviously, I watched the documentaries, I watched the stories, and obviously when his death came, like it was like the biggest thing in the world. So like you you hear about all the things going on, but like I was never like I like I just said, you know, I wasn't like the biggest Mike fan, so it's like I wasn't really like fully into his life story and all that. So it's like I wasn't one of the people that was just judging him, like just being like, oh, that's crazy. Like, yeah, okay, you would hear about the things and see the things, and you're like, eh, it's a little off or strange, but I wasn't like such a hard judge to where like it's like, oh, I can't fuck with Mike because of the other things, but it's crazy because like honestly, that I feel like I feel like I ain't gonna go watch the movie now because and I feel like people that have had that opinion should because it does give that, it should give that um that other side of it.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

And that's what I took away from it, you know what I'm saying? Mostly from that standpoint, because like I said earlier, um, I was like 13, 14 when he died in 2010. So it's like us, you know, in our in our small amount of life in that time frame, we knew him from the, you know, pale-skinned, older, you know, 30, 40 year old Mike, right? But we didn't really know as much. Like, of course, we know of, right, but we weren't as conditioned to him growing up as maybe our parents or grandparents' generation. So it kind of put in perspective into perspective of like, how was Mike as a kid? Because we knew Mike as an adult. We didn't know him as a kid.

SPEAKER_03 6:53

And it's kind of when you think about it, it's like a lot of us were probably just introduced to him in that era of him doing that weird quote unquote weird shit as an adult. Right. Not knowing and realizing, like you guys were just explaining, like, bro didn't even really have that childhood. And I mean, like, obviously, if you a fan, you probably should have an understanding, just knowing like being a child star, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's probably something that a lot of them don't deal with. You know, that they do deal with not having that childhood and being able to like grow up as a kid and have that freedom. But like I said, like a lot of people I feel like in our age and our age range and then our generation, we're just kind of coming into like Mike in his adulthood, doing you know, deemed weird shit. When in reality, like y'all just said, he broke, he literally was just trying to have fun being a kid.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

I'm gonna be honest, I really ain't really like start listening to his music until he died. Cause like you were you you were what 13, 14? I was like 11, 12. Right? Like I I remember exactly where I was when it happened. I was on like, it was like Summer Bridge, I was on the playground in Mount Royal, and my man ran over and was like, Michael Jackson just died. And I was like, damn. And then I went back to the monkey bars. You know what I mean? Like, nah, it didn't represent.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

I grew up to my grandmother listening to Jackson 5, and my grandmother listened to Mike, and my mother listened to Mike too, but more so solo Mike. My grandmother used to listen to Jackson 5, so I was conditioned to his music, but I had no idea of him outside of his music. You know what I mean? But besides of the things I would hear, like, oh, he talks to animals, and like, oh, he be holding his hands.

SPEAKER_03 8:17

And I mean, maybe if I want to take my earliest days as a kid, yeah, I probably heard the music from family, but like honestly, my first memory of Mike probably was me hearing about something he did in the news, like in the media, trying to put, you know, you know, Mr. Miss like interpreting him as like this this weird guy, you know what I mean? So that was probably honestly my first real introduction to Michael Jackson was a news headline of him doing some shit.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

So, like, do you do you think the movie gave y'all a new appreciation for him, or does it just kind of like absolutely confirm like what y'all already felt about him? So, so go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 8:49

I always fucked with Mike, but just like you.

SPEAKER_02 8:51

Yeah, no, I mean I always loved his music. I didn't really know the person. You know what I'm saying? And so it kind of made me more understand him than it did make me like him more or anything like that. Cause I always like Mike. Like, I I got Mike on my phone right now, you know what I mean? And he he long gone, and you know, I'm way older, but I still do listen to Mike. So I wouldn't say it increased how much I liked him, but it just gave me a new understanding of the person. Cause like I said, we 13, 14, we didn't watch him grow up and we didn't watch him come in and stardom. When we were introduced to him, he was already the megastar.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:23

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 9:24

So and then it's crazy to say, like you said, you didn't know him as like the person. Cause another thing I kind of took away from the movie, especially watching it and seeing like from start to finish of the movie, you can see he developed a decent amount of his father's um personality, just in a different tone. Like his father was very perfectionist. He was a perfectionist, he wanted it done right, but he was really aggressive. Mike wasn't aggressive with it, but he was gonna let you know, I want my shit right. Like, um, like in the part where he was uh went to the dude trying to get his video on MTV. Mike sat there and was like, I want my shit on MTV. Buddy called Buddy right there and was like, I need his shit on MTV in 10 minutes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

Like Because at the time, at the time, MTV wasn't playing black artists. Right. So because you got people don't remember, like Bro, if Mike was alive right now, he'd be what, in his 60s? Right. Like maybe, maybe 70s. Don't don't quote me on that, but you get what I'm saying. He'd be a really old person right now. I mean, he came up in the 70s and the 60s, bro.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

Like, and then when then with that, it was like when he had that whole in-accounting where he was looking for his new manager. Like, Buddy was talking, basically, it seemed like Mike thought he was talking out of line. He was like, Who are you? Like, like, what have you done for you to be talking to me like this? He laid it out and he was like, nah, I like him. Everybody else get out. I'm like, this nigga Mike got pulled.

SPEAKER_02 10:43

And the one last, the one last powerful scene before uh, you know, we keep it pushing on the show, is uh that scene where he brought the bloods in the crypts together. Yeah, hell yeah. That was like, yo, I was like, because the guy that's the guy that, you know, the media pushed Mike to our generation, the 90s babies, right? We know of Mike. Everybody knows Mike, the 90s babies, but the guy that they pushed to us wasn't the guy that I seen on that screen. You know what I mean? I was like, yo, I was like, this weird, like, you know, antisocial, no friend, you know, you know, uh ducking media guy that we saw towards the end of his life, he bringing bloods and crisps together for a dance contest. And obviously, like it's a it's a movie.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

He just seen on the news, niggas, niggas just killed, they killed these people's men's and like over nothing.

SPEAKER_02 11:26

Like and there might be some exaggeration there. It's a movie. You know what I'm saying? So maybe it wasn't that simple of like, let me get some bloods and crisps together. But that lets you know that how powerful he was as a person to bring people together for something as simple as arts and music, bro. Like, I don't know. It was tough. I think it was a tough movie. I just felt like it was tough.

SPEAKER_03 11:42

I think I will say honestly, just hear from y'all describe it because my issue was like, I kind of thought I was gonna go into it with it. Not, and I know I've said it before, but like not a musical, but it's just like I I like I like informing movies. Like, I like informative things. Like, that's why I like I tell you like I be watching hella documentaries, docusaries, shit like that. So like just from hearing that it kind of gave you a more understanding of the Mike Michael Jackson, the person, I think I probably I mean it wasn't I wasn't not against watching it, but now I think I am gonna make it my business to Yeah, the the music wasn't necessarily a focus, the life was the music just come with it because who he is.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

Yeah, because I felt like you like your whole point on like it being a musical. It's like alright, yeah, it's Michael Jackson's music, but you still get a good amount of like just him outside of music, outside of him performing. It's not just him performing, and then like all right, you see a little bit of his life. It's the majority of him, his life. They skip a lot of performances that he did. Like it's a lot of stuff that he performed that's not even in the movie. So it's like they show a good amount of what people wanted to see. Like it's definitely his life. Of course, some people say they left a lot of things out like that was bad because it was made by his production company. They didn't want to show like a a decent amount of bad stuff, but it's like I think that's coming on the back end of the second movie.

SPEAKER_02 12:56

So it's like I mean that's when all the bad stuff happens.

SPEAKER_00 12:59

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 13:00

There's like they got to though, because like that's that's that's part of his life.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Yeah, I need the second one.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

And maybe maybe that'll also help get another better understanding. I'm not saying it's gotta be making the clean cut guy, but like put that out there. That kind of helps with people understanding the person and who he is, you know.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

Yeah. All right. Well, uh, moving on to our next topic. Um, the NFL draft. I know it came and went, what was it, like two weeks ago? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:21

Um like a week and a half, two.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

We got three different teams in here. I want to ask everybody, how do y'all feel? Y'all teams did first round, first to second round pick. I know you guys got a great guard, y'all got a weird receiver. Weird? I don't know. He was actually weird at the time. Uh he starts playing a rapper. He was a little weird, bro.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

He's still probably one of the best receivers in the track.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

I understand, but like you can't tell me his reaction was a little weird, bro.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

He was bet he was bet he lemon's better than him. Who Jacoby Lane? Better than him. Okay. But we will we'll talk about that later. Jacoby Lane, dog, though.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

He is a dog, he's does. Yeah, what what you think about y'all jazz? Um so And the potential like AJ Brown stuff.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Um, I'm gonna I'm gonna just Oh, he's gone. After that pick, he's gone. I'm gonna speed through this. Um, so I feel like uh the Makai Lemon pick was because we couldn't get Kane Proctor. The Dolphins just selected him with like two picks before, and we knew the Steelers wanted him. And like it's crazy. Uh the Steelers were actively on the phone with him when we traded with the Cowboys. Yeah, Rob.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

That's so flying, bro.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

We traded with the Cowboys. That boy Howie. We traded with the Cowboys to get to get Makai Lemon. And it was like, um, they were on the phone with him, and Mikai was like, why is Philly calling me? And they were like, yo, we're taking you right now. So it was like, all right, we took him because we couldn't get Gaiden Brock there. We knew we were probably gonna have to set up our future for uh for our wide receiver room, which is like I'm okay with. I have no fucking problem with it, with with bro. I thought he was a dog all season. Him and um Jacoby Lane, they were hooping at um, it was he uh USC USC. And um, so I I I don't had no problems with it. Um and the AJ Brown stuff, it's gone. I feel like I feel like nobody else wanted to leave but him. So it's like if he wants to leave, cool.

SPEAKER_02 15:06

Um I mean y'all invested in that position with three new guys. I mean, Hollywood ain't the biggest guy, but y'all got Hollywood, y'all traded for uh Wigs. Nice The Tavis Wigs, and then y'all just drafted Lemon.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

So like they got somebody else too. What or or that was? I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

I feel like I'm it was missing one, but so and but like with that, it's like alright, cool. Since you want to leave, we're gonna stack our debt. Um, depending on if we do trade him or not. But I feel like we might, regardless of anything, regardless of anything where he's funny. Bro, Adam Shefter has already pretty much Adam Shefter not gonna say that and ruin his credibility. Okay, like I said, regardless of anything, he gotta figure out the grass greener. But it is what it is, dog.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

But I'd rather play for Drake May or Jalen Hurts.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

Jalen Hurts has a Super Bowl. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

Drake May's only been in the league for two years, so he didn't win. Jalen only like what, four or five?

SPEAKER_02 15:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:57

Second year, first year as a starter, he made the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_02 16:00

You don't think that's you don't think that Jalen Hurts is better than Drake May? I'm sure he does. Yes, you don't think that Jalen. He does. At what? At what?

SPEAKER_00 16:07

Bro. I know Deion. So in the first two years of being a college, yeah. What does he think about? What has Drake May done that is better than Drake?

SPEAKER_01 16:17

He led his team to the Super Bowl after coming off of a four-win season.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

Okay. And he was running off of MVP, second team off the.

SPEAKER_01 16:23

Second year started and did the same thing. Did you just have been in uh runner up for MVP?

unknown 16:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

Has he ever been MVP team? Has he ever been the best in the league at his position?

unknown 16:33

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

Okay. Okay. I'm just asking. That's because I'm just asking.

SPEAKER_00 16:38

That's because y'all, all y'all worry about is throwing stats. He wins games. It's my quarterback. Yes. He wins games. Are you winning? Would you rather just have a lot of stats and not win nothing? Or we just won 14. We had a lot of stats and won something. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:53

Win the big one. Win the big one. Hey, man. You can't. I never I don't understand I don't understand this criticism, right? Why do people not see conference championships as accomplishments? Because it's a we live in a ring. I think it is an accomplishment. It's like Leek said, it's we're living in a ring.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Ring society, bro.

SPEAKER_03 17:12

You don't get a ring, it don't matter. You know how many. What? That does. Now, I'm not saying that personally, I'm just letting you know what the narrative is.

SPEAKER_02 17:20

You know how many people have never even played in a conference championship? Not even the single building.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

You're right. A ring outweighs a conference championship. Of course, because it's the next step. That's all we're going to remember. But I'm saying how many conference championships does Brady have? 10. 11.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

You don't know, but you know how many rings he has. Huh? Actually, you know. I just told you. No, you just never use it. 10, 11. Because he has one with the Bucks and 10 with the Patriots. I'm a Patriots fan, so my first thing is to go to Patriots.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

My point is though, I think the average person is going to remember rings over there.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

Yeah, is that that's not a controversy. What I'm saying is people will make fun of you for having a great season. It makes no sense to me. Well, I think I've never made that job. I like I said, I have I had Commanders fans, right? They're like, you got y'all, y'all got smoked in the Super Bowl. I said, bro, y'all picked, what, seventh this year? It makes no sense. Yeah, I got random answers.

SPEAKER_03 18:09

That's why I said it's it's a ring culture thing. It's like, it ain't literally, yo, this is how I've looked at it for years now. It's like if you literally don't go all the way and make it, you did nothing to in most people's eyes. Nah, but look at Joe Burrough. Look at Joe Burrow. I agree with you. It shouldn't be like that, but unfortunately, that's the time we live in.

SPEAKER_02 18:27

I'm not, you're gonna make fun of me for my team doing better than yours. That makes no difference. Your team didn't even make the playoffs and and and you talking about.

SPEAKER_03 18:33

Playoffs. You know what I mean? Like, nah, that's exactly how people are. Like I said, because because your team wasn't hosting up the trophy at the end of the year, everyone else is on the same boat. Literally, to every single person, if you're not a Super Bowl championship standing on a pedestal at the end, everyone's on the same boat.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

That's not how sports work, bro. You have to incrementally get better.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

That's what I don't understand with it, like especially like the pushback with Jalen. We haven't missed the playoffs with him as our starter.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

I mean, y'all also have one of the best GMs that's loaded your roster, so you can't miss the playoffs. I'm not I'm a Jalen fan. I'm not saying I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

I get what you're saying, but you still have to win these games. Your roster doesn't mat, doesn't mean you're gonna win these games. We've seen a lot of good teams.

SPEAKER_02 19:13

Bro, Saquon Barkley was doing cartwheels over three niggas in the air, bro.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

But also that that that same year, Devontae Smith and and AJ Brown had over 1,200 yards.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

I don't think Jalen Hurts sucks. He's just not better at any lane than Drake May.

SPEAKER_00 19:28

But I I get what you're saying, but it's like cool. You y'all, the discredit between Jalen has to stop. It's like the only reason I say it has to stop is because I feel like they're taking away credit because, oh, he doesn't have the best stats. So what? Like I guess y'all, I guess a quarterback is supposed to have the best stats, but what what happened to quarterbacks winning games? What happened that was a good thing?

SPEAKER_02 19:50

Well, usually quarterbacks that win games have a good stats.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

That used to be a that used to be respectable before like before people used to win games.

SPEAKER_02 19:58

The dominant quarterback wasn't loading up the stat sheet.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

No, I'm not nobody ever nobody ever said they had they had to load up the stat sheet.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

As long as they won the game, I'm saying they should justify for this, but in the in the spirit of just keeping this going here. Uh I mean, was Tom always going out there for throwing for 300, 250, 400 yards?

SPEAKER_02 20:15

Always 250. Always 250.

SPEAKER_03 20:17

Sometimes he was going out there getting the game.

SPEAKER_02 20:18

The Ram Super Bowl game he didn't get getting the game done and just doing what he's doing. Well, that's one game. We're talking about a season though. We're talking about over a season.

SPEAKER_03 20:26

I'm speaking in the whole totality of his career simply because I'm thinking more so on, all right. Let's say Jalen, again, this is just a crazy scenario, not saying it would happen. Offense. Let's say Jalen goes on a generational run, isn't putting up generational numbers in these games, but he keeps winning and gets like three more Super Bowls.

SPEAKER_02 20:42

Nah, it's respect, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

Because he got three more Super Bowls, right? So now it's no longer this narrative that he with that that he's stuck in that he's describing and having to defend his quarterback in is completely null and voided because he gets three more rings, but he's not putting up these generational numbers that a generational multitask, like a crazy athlete.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

If he got four rings, we're not gonna be criticizing him on that microscope like that.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

Bro, but weren't there? But when you got one ring, there's a lot of people who got one ring. Then he will get more respect.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

But still, but but I don't think the more you win, the less criticism. But win, bro, it'd be the team's excess.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

Oh, that don't got nothing to do with me. That's not how I look at it. It would be Jalen Hurts didn't. That's not how I look at it.

SPEAKER_03 21:22

But when he just patently didn't lose it, it's like I you look again, I've been on the side of giving Jalen shit and giving him credit, but like I don't get it that way. I don't get that where like, and again, I'm not saying that I just use Brady because like that's the the goal of quarterback. So it's like, I'm just saying though, look, I'm not a Patriots fan, so I wasn't that tuned in. I'm just saying Brady's consistency of going out there and throwing 300, 400 crazy statistical games.

SPEAKER_02 21:49

All right, fine. But like you still have to do that. But you gotta, you gotta think. You gotta think Brady's a 2000s quarterback, bro. We didn't even start throwing the ball heavily until like 2012. Not even, not even to that. I'm not saying we as in Patriots, I'm saying the NF. Fell.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Yeah. Weren't there games where Jalen Hurts threw under 100 yards, right? This season?

SPEAKER_00 22:04

Um, I think it was just one game.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

It wasn't multiple games. No. But as a QB, is that not like a crazy stat to not have a hundred yards?

SPEAKER_03 22:12

Let me ask you this. If Tom Brady did that in year nine and won, are y'all saying anything? Is anyone saying anything?

SPEAKER_02 22:20

Because he's got so much. It's the comparison, though, right? That's why I'm saying you asked if he wins more rings, are we still gonna say the same thing? I'm saying the more rings you win, the less criticism you get. So while you have one, they're still gonna look at you and say, hey, why are you only going for 125?

SPEAKER_03 22:34

But listen, in the time, but I and you're right. If that happened, like I said, I just said it because of ring culture, so I'm not disputing that. I know that's the reason why. But what I'm trying to get to just people to understand is like it's the same thing being happened, he just had a couple more rings. Like they're literally having the same game. They just I'm saying, like, if in an in an example where like would you say Jalen threw for under 100 yards? If Tom Brady did that and they both won the game.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

I know. I got to, bro. I got to, bro.

SPEAKER_03 23:02

I'm just saying though, to make the point, like I can understand why, like, like why because I do like I said, I do get it because I said it, it's ring culture. But point being, it's just like it, I don't get why he's gotta be such under that microscope if they're winning. Like you said, he's winning.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

He's not under a microscope for me. I just think he compared, I said he's not better than Drake May, and he looked at me like I was lying.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

I didn't, I'm saying I I would take Jalen Hurts over Drake May. Yes, of course. I would not. That's fine. I just think I have no no no reason to disagree with your opinion, is, but I'm taking my quarterback.

SPEAKER_01 23:36

So to keep to keep moving, keep moving this conversation along. We we we touched on the Eagles draft. Let's talk about uh the Patriots draft. How what'd you think about that real quick?

SPEAKER_02 23:44

Um I didn't see that. It's not really not no not no, it's not really that many home runs. Um I think Akis is gonna be a good pass rusher for us. Um he'll probably be the most impactful guy. Gabe Akis from Illinois. He'll probably be the most impactful guy from week one. Like, like I think he's gonna start. Um but like lone move, he might not touch the field. He might red shirt the whole year, or might be a swing pack. Yeah, I mean, we already got two tackles.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

I like the tight end because, you know, Hunter.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

He had he's the guy that has like he has the intangibles, but he doesn't have the college like stats or track records. So like he we're we're put we're projecting. We're not going off of what he did. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 24:23

So I never thought this was gonna be a sexy draft for us anyway.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

We picked 31. You know. So you feel you kind of get the filler Oscar guys there and then you hope somebody pops. Filling gaps. Yeah, a lot of uh a lot of special team guys on the back end. I like that uh the corner we got, Prunty. Yeah, so um he he he can play on the outside really well. Hopefully he can slide in when we get rid of Carlton Davis. Um, because we paying that man 20 million. He's not 20 million out there.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

Two years, three years?

SPEAKER_02 24:47

Huh? It's two years. This is last year. Yeah. He had two years guarantee, and then the third year is a team option. So we can move off of him if we want, but 20 million dollars for him, I don't know. Especially when we're about to pay Gonzo and Drake. And Drake about to probably get like 65.70. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

What you think about the Ravens?

SPEAKER_03 25:05

Um I like I like our draft. I'm really optimistic. I'm hopeful. I think the future is bright. Uh got that Filele replacement. Yeah, thank God. Like honestly, I wasn't like I was actually completely happy with that being the first pick. Like, I and I mean it seemed like that was gonna be the thing. Uh going into that night, we was gonna get alignment. I was cool with that. And then we got uh Zion Young, um, the edge rusher. I feel like if it can work out well, I believe him and Mike Green will be our future pass rushers for the Baltimore Ravens moving forward. And I think Jesse can definitely get them guys going.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

Um they kind of overlap though. They're kind of both like power rushes.

SPEAKER_03 25:41

I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:42

Some guys like so I mean when you take it. I'm saying when you think somebody wants a power rush and then a speed or something.

SPEAKER_03 25:49

But hey, if we can just crush the old we can start dominating dominating O lines and just got bullying there. Yeah, you just start bullying them. Let look, honestly, if you think about it, that's the Raven way. You just get in there and just knuckle up and handle somebody. So we definitely got that. And then, like I said, I mentioned earlier, I definitely like the Jacoby Lane pick. Um, it's definitely a dog coming out of your game. Kind of got him for a steal. Oh, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

Um, I mean, I he's not Jacoby Lane, he's he's not like an every down contributor, but he's like the big play guy.

SPEAKER_03 26:18

I think I don't want to like because I don't want people to give me shit for like shitting on Bateman, but I just like the last year, Bateman just ain't been doing it for me. So I'm really kind of hoping that I don't even want him to be replaced, but it's like I'm just hoping that Jacoby Lane kind of you know gives us a little more of that production that we was not getting from Bateman.

SPEAKER_00 26:38

Let's be honest, as like any Ravens fan, I'm pretty sure a lot of them could say could agree. None of y'all never really liked Bateman.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

No, I did. Batman. Like I'm an in the city.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

He's so common who ain't never like.

SPEAKER_03 26:52

That's really why it was. Like, and I mean, I don't know. I had false hope from thinking, like, oh, when Odell was in the wide receiver room, like it would get Bateman to kind of just be like, you know, want to soak it in and lock in. It became a fashion. If anything, I just made him want to deep dive into the fashion. Yeah. Like it it just made Bateman go opium even more. So now it's like, it's just funny because whenever you go on TikTok, you just see Bateman. Like during the season, he might post like a highlight clip here and there, but like majority of the time it's just him and fit pics doing fashion TikToks, and I'm just like outside the crib. Like, that's my wide receiver, guys. Like, but it is what it is. Like I said, I'm still I still like Bateman. I still think he can be productive, but I really do like Jacoby Lane. Um and I don't know, moving forward, like I said, I ain't gonna lie, I'm just real optimistic for about the season. Like, I'm not even gonna sit here and try to make it seem like I got some like a specific set expectations. I mean, obviously, every year, because we're a top team, I would expect playoffs. Um, especially just after missing last year. Like, I don't believe that we're going for anything less. So at minimum, obviously playoffs, but just moving forward, like I just want to see I just want to see success from the team. Like, I just want to see like this was supposed to be our culture change. So, like, honestly, when we're out there like during games and like during the season, I kind of want to hope to see like them little changes that I wasn't seeing from the Ravens teams of the past, if that makes sense, you know? So yeah, definitely. Definitely looking forward to that. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

Uh moving forward uh to our next topic. Leek, uh know you have a little game for us that um you want us to play.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

Yeah. So uh I'm sure everybody, you know, we've been doing the games, trying to do these little games that we got going for the last couple weeks now. Uh this week, I don't even know really if there's like a name for this. I just never really saw it. Like there's a bit of problems. We're just gonna be doing a thing where, you know, I'm gonna throw out uh name to the guys and then I'm gonna say, we're gonna I'm gonna ask them to speak up when I say a name that's better than the person that is on the board.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

So maybe it's like King of the Hill. I guess. Actually, I guess that would be considered.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

Yeah, all right, we're gonna call it King of the Hill. So uh we said we we agree what we're gonna do, so we're keeping it sports themed, um, and obviously no right now going on, we've got NBA playoffs, which is real huge. So I wanted to keep it like you know, basketball related, and you said we we want to go with guards, right?

SPEAKER_01 28:57

We can do guards. We can do guards, all right.

SPEAKER_03 28:59

We can do guards. So who's on the block? And I'm I look again, this is my first time, so hopefully I did good with this being game master. So for the guards, I want you guys to speak up when I say a name better than Shea Gillis, Alexander.

SPEAKER_02 29:15

Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_03 29:17

I see how I want to start this. Figure that, figure that, figure that. I'm gonna start light, start light. Jalen Brunson. I seen a couple chests buff up. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

Kyrie. I might I'm standing intent on it. To keep it consistent, I'm not gonna be able to do it intent on what I did. No, but I said last time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:57

Y'all said Kyrie.

SPEAKER_00 30:00

I mean it looked cute, but he ain't better.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

Okay. Don't stand intent on my Kyrie. It is what it is.

SPEAKER_03 30:05

So, two guys for Kyrie, alright. Derek Rose.

SPEAKER_04 30:10

Nah.

SPEAKER_03 30:11

Don't make that face. Show my boy some both. No. Could have been, maybe. That's cool. That's cool. Isaiah Thomas. Which one? Pistons Isaiah Thomas. Zeke. No. Now this is about to start getting a little dicey. No. Okay. No, we're going no. Cross the booth.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

Yeah, I'll okay.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

Alright.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

Alan Irison. Yes. Yeah. AI? I know he didn't win nothing, bro, but I AI was a cultural movie. It's better than SGA.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

I'm going AI because I love it. I ain't gonna lie. For the same reasons of why. Okay. I would say Kyle.

SPEAKER_03 30:52

You finally got a clean book. AI took it. AI took that one. All right. Uh did I say Russell Westbrook?

SPEAKER_00 31:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

Yes. Like Prime World? Yeah. Russ is probably one of the most disrespected players in the history of the NBA. Russ has one of the highest peaks. A couple more.

SPEAKER_03 31:10

A couple more. A couple more. Luca. Come on, guys.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

Luca Donny. Is he better than SGA? He should be. Nah, nah, no.

SPEAKER_02 31:28

But no. Well, they just don't show up on the court like SGA does. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 31:34

So that was a no. Yeah. Oh. Alright. Kobe Bryant.

SPEAKER_01 31:40

Yes. Come on, bro. That's another thing.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

He does that. Alright. Niggas be trying to hit on Kobe nowadays, too. Yeah. Magic, yes. I mean, we're in the finals as a rookie, bro.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

I was I thought it was going to be a Kobe. You'd at least say yes for Russell Webb.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

And Allen Irison, but not Magic Z.

SPEAKER_03 32:05

What's up with you guys? I said yes. I said yes. I still didn't get it defended. I said yes. All right. It seemed like I was hurting to give him a yes. I was. I feel like these last two are for sure givens, but I'm going to say them just because I gotta, I'm gonna use the rest of the list. But I'll start with the one that I think Michael Jordan. Yeah. A given. Second best player of all time. And then the last one, Steph Curry. My goats. Greatest shooter ever. Yeah, no my goats. You think we have time to so I mean I've got so I like I said, I won uh pretty good. I did one, I did an artist one. If y'all want to do if y'all want to do that, yeah, let's go. So this would be fun.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

Hopefully I know him though, because y'all be having y'all be having these guys at the end. No, no, no. This is I feel like who we're about to pull off here.

SPEAKER_03 32:48

So the artist that I pick that I want to have against going everybody else, Lil Wayne.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

Oh my god. Y'all kind of figured he was doing that. This is about to be crazy.

SPEAKER_03 33:00

This one we might be the last one. Because I got two more we could do, but uh, this might be a little long. So Lil Wayne.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

You do know he was he's just like, I think he's the best rapper. That's a crazy thing. So I'm not gonna say nothing the whole time.

SPEAKER_03 33:12

I mean, all right, we're gonna see. This is this might get interesting. All right, so I can't start off with that one.

SPEAKER_00 33:20

They might they might try to judge my age by me, by my by my Jay Z better than Lil Wayne.

SPEAKER_03 33:25

No, no, absolutely not. Okay, Kendrick Lamar.

SPEAKER_00 33:29

No, uh uh Nah, I'm not gonna say Kendrick. But no, that's no butt, bro.

SPEAKER_01 33:39

Not even close.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

Just close. J. Cole. No.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

I'm taking my goal.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

Absolutely not, bro.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

Taking Wayne? I'm taking Cole. I don't think it's gold. Y'all can hate me if y'all want. I'm taking it. I want Cole. I like Cole over Wayne slightly. Just slightly. But I like Cole over Wayne.

unknown 33:59

What?

SPEAKER_01 33:59

Alright, let's keep it moving. Let's keep it moving. Kanye West.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

No.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

I can understand the argument, but No. Okay. No.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

Gucci. No.

SPEAKER_01 34:10

No.

SPEAKER_03 34:12

Gonna. No. I go a lot. DeAndre ain't been answering these last couple ones. I'm just going to.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

No, I'm I'm just saying I'm I'm doing the game. Oh, good.

SPEAKER_02 34:27

Honestly, though, the silence might like confuse people. No, no, it would not be.

SPEAKER_03 34:32

Quick if if anyone's confused, we're not speaking. You only speak up if you think they're better than the person. Okay. Alright. Where was that? Uh Chief Keefe.

unknown 34:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:50

I just was gonna be funny. Alright. Let's see, let's see. Little Dirk. Sidebar, I'm just glad I'm not playing this, because niggas would hate me. You would think Dirk is better than Wayne? I think half these people are. What?

SPEAKER_01 35:04

Damn. You know, I think that's another session for another episode. We definitely have a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 35:11

Jay-Z.

SPEAKER_03 35:11

Yeah, definitely. I know Kanye has an argument. I'm looking at it on thinking about it on eye bump. That's what I'm thinking. Like how he chose. I chose Kobe because I'm looking at it.

SPEAKER_02 35:19

That's why I'm saying your favorite doesn't necessarily have to be better.

SPEAKER_03 35:23

In my eyes, he is. Amen. Just saying. But alright, I'm not. Alright, uh Travis Scott. Young Thug.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

I mean, Thug created his whole image off a way.

SPEAKER_00 35:42

Yeah, it's like he you can't really kind of sell me that same way. Better? I'm waiting for him to say one person.

SPEAKER_03 35:50

Oh, it's coming. Um you know. Uh young boy.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

He's like the most popular rapper everyone.

SPEAKER_03 36:24

I know you would take it.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

Drake. He's bigger. He's not better. Drake made I mean Wayne made Drake, so I'm not gonna say Drake. I mean he's bigger than Drake. He's not better than that.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

Yeah, Drake's not a better rapper than Wayne. As much as I love Drake, I can't.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

Future.

unknown 36:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 36:48

Also, I I can't. I love future, but I can't I love future, but I I gotta take future. I'm gonna take future over.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

Talking about real lyricists, but you as a J. Cole fan who appreciates lyricism. You're taking future over Wayne.

SPEAKER_03 37:00

I love future and I love the bringing back music set over.

SPEAKER_02 37:04

I'm just saying, obviously, if you think I'm a J. Cole fan, so that means you appreciate lyricism. Well, yes. So then how can you take future over Wayne? Because I appreciate future type lyricism.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

I appreciate I appreciate futures type music.

SPEAKER_02 37:15

I'd rather listen to future music. Wayne has both. Wayne has future type music.

SPEAKER_00 37:19

Are we going are we going to put it? Like, what do we like? Bruh, I'd be like, I mean, that's what I like. That's what I like. That's what I like over.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

Wayne is the overall. I'm just saying Wayne has future type music and lyricism type music. It's both.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

Right.

SPEAKER_02 37:31

So it's like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:33

Yeah, so we we we clearly got to spin the block on this game. Really?

SPEAKER_03 37:36

I do like this game. We'll come in. I had two more categories. Um, I definitely do like that, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

But uh yeah, Lee touched on it. Um, before we started the game, we're in the middle of the NBA playoffs. We just finished the uh first round. Uh the second round started this week on Monday. Um, I think I want to give my thoughts on the first round. I'll say the the matchups in the East were a lot more competitive than I thought they would be. Like, we got two game sevens, three game, no, two game sevens, two game sixes, right? And the playing teams hung hard, right? Like nobody got swept in the East.

SPEAKER_03 38:09

Like, I mean, maybe it's not a clear thing for everyone, but honestly, the craziest thing for me is the fact that Detroit even got taken to seven games by the Magic. I think Detroit.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

I didn't think that was I think the Magic were supposed to be better than what they were this year. And they weren't Detroit. Yeah, because they missed they miss Paolo for a little bit, they miss uh Franz for a little bit. Um but Detroit was also like really young. So like it makes sense for them to like, I mean, what, their oldest, they're they're their locker room leaders, like Tobias Harris, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:37

Like Yeah, he's like 34.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

Yeah, like hell no. I mean Tobias Harris over. Was that surprised? Yes, but it also made sense.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

So but not, I mean, like, but all right, so then why why is it not crazy that because like honestly, I'm not saying that I was taking the pistons to go all the way, but like, I mean, look at what the Thunder just did. Their oldest locker room guy was like, what, Caruso?

SPEAKER_02 39:00

Yeah, but the Suns are they suck.

SPEAKER_03 39:02

No, I'm saying when they won a championship with the team being very young, not really having that veteran experience, you know, championship experience.

SPEAKER_02 39:09

Wait to that chip. They had two game seven series. Yeah. Oh, they would they went the seven with the nuggets. Yeah, they went to seven with the nuggets on the second round, and then they went to seven.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

They're on the record right now with the um uh team bull.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

You know, and then they went, then they went to seven in the finals against the Pacers.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

But my point being that they're not saying the back to back. Maybe, maybe, maybe it's because I was not looking at the magic as as much of a threat as they should have been. I'm not saying that they were bad. Like, I definitely did like throughout the season, like again, I wasn't as tapped in like I would always let people know, but like I'm you know, checking in in here and there, and like the magic were a team that I was like, oh shit, they on the up and up, they might actually be making some noise. I think if you So I guess maybe this I should not have been shocked to see them take them to seven, but it I don't know, it was to me. Like I think if you want to go take they were down three-nothing. I was like, what are we talking about?

SPEAKER_00 39:55

You want to down talk about that series specifically? I just think that comes down to Cade just not having help in some of those games. Like, even Paolo, Paulo didn't the last the the game in game seven, Paulo dropped 38. Some of them.

SPEAKER_02 40:10

At least he still got like Bane in there. Like no guy.

SPEAKER_00 40:14

Bane did nothing though that game. That's the reason why they lost. Like, people like that. He it's like, bro, Cade just bro, he he he just feels like he kind of doing it all.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

On that roster can score on the Pistons for real.

SPEAKER_00 40:26

And it's like, bro, they're gonna get Duncan Robinson. Like, right, he's supposed to be. Duncan Robinson is a pure shooter. Like if you want to be, like, if I want to be real, if he wanna be every game, bro. I think I think they lose this second round to the Cavs. I they lose the caves. They lose to the Cavs. I don't know if they will they lose to the Pets.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

I think they I think they should. I don't know if they will, because James Harden be doing James Harden stuff. All right, I'm talking about it.

SPEAKER_03 40:48

We kind of like why does it like, and I mean, I'm not saying like you specifically, because I don't know, you you could just be getting on James because it's James, but that's just been a consistent thing. Well, because bro, it's not his team. I'm saying why is it the fact that like yo, literally, it was a couple games ago, everybody gave James Harden shit. I wouldn't check the box score. This nigga Donovan took took and missed double the amount of shots as James Harden. That was the issue. That was the reason why that happened. All I'm saying is, but why that's not the case though. No one is giving Donovan Mitchell shit. They are. I mean, no, they're not the level of James Harden.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

He has some of the historically worst playoff performances in NBA history.

SPEAKER_03 41:28

That's why he's no longer the guy on the team.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

Right.

SPEAKER_03 41:30

But it's not gonna it's not gonna not follow him until he James Harden is the first person that has been a supporting cast member that has gotten more shit than he starred on their team. Come on now.

SPEAKER_00 41:39

Absolutely. I that's insane. Especially because of certain people that we know um that would fucking be giving James Harden shit. And I'm like, bro, Donovan Mitchell missed 20 shots.

SPEAKER_03 41:49

And that's my and that was.

SPEAKER_02 41:50

I mean, I can vote shit.

SPEAKER_03 41:52

No, and I can take it.

SPEAKER_02 41:53

That's it. I would hope so. But like it just be the nigga. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, whatever you need, James Harden, he just don't be the.

SPEAKER_03 41:58

No, it's like the media, the like everybody, and it's like I get that that's like it's the easy thing to go to because that's been his history, and I get it. That I can't defend that. You know what I'm saying? Like, this unfortunately, there's nothing I can defend as far as him not being accountable showing up in them on them games in the past. But right now, we're living in a now. I'm not living in two years ago, three years ago, four years. This is right now. And right now, this is Donovan's team, and he is not living up to expectations at all. He only wants to hoop when his girl is in the crowd.

SPEAKER_00 42:25

Darn itchell is the Darwin Mitchell is the reason that this series got the seven. I'm not I'm gonna be real. Because like it's it's a few games where they probably could have completely washed the raptors. I get it. I live in that seven, but Raptors?

SPEAKER_03 42:37

Let me just say this because the point that y'all was making about like K and them needing help, bro. I watched the Raptors. That nigga Scotty Barnes is the only nigga on the because of injuries. BI, Gary Trent, and Emmanuel Quick are all in their street clothes, fresh as shit on the sideline, and not doing shit for that nigga. And this nigga Scotty Barnes was out there the only these niggas, the Raptors had three defenders in with a minute left in front of the city.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

The Cavs played down, bro. That they bro, four of their starting five are all star caliber.

SPEAKER_03 43:02

And my point was like to go to get to my point, like I'm saying, like, yo, the Cavs should have been able to easily sweep, not even sweep like the series.

SPEAKER_00 43:09

It could have been at least three games for two.

SPEAKER_01 43:11

But like Dorian said, they're probably playing down. Like, like if you look at the the Sixers series, fucking Celtics' up 3-1, and um Prisher came out and said, Um, we should have stepped on there next. We we played with him a little too long. Uh something essentially like that. Oh, that's what he said. He essentially said something like that, like, but it's kind of that though.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

Like, we talked a little bit about it in the chat, like that series, the Celtic Sixers, like, man, that Celtics roster is booty. Like, if you really look, like, and I'm not, I'm not down with y'all, y'all have a great series. I'm not down, like, I'm not down playing that. I'm actually a huge Maxi fan. Maxie's a hooper. That's why I'm so, you know, I'm so I think it should be Maxie's team, bruh. I don't think it should be M B's team. Cause I think when Embiid get out there, like I said before, it just slows it down so much. Like when they played against us, when it when I watched them play the Knicks the other night, last night, right? There were so many possessions where the whole possession was thrown in the. In the post and watching him work. That's not winning in the that's not winning the chip, bro.

SPEAKER_01 44:04

See, but we don't win that series against the Celtics without Embiid.

SPEAKER_02 44:07

No, I don't, I agree. I'm not trying to say his right, he doesn't have value. I'm saying that we need y'all need to stop focusing the ingredients on him and let it come naturally. Yeah. Like it if tonight's Maxie's night and beat, let it be Maxie's night. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

I didn't like last night specifically because it was a lot of force feeding when it really hadn't been a lot of that in the Celtics series. But to your point, I think the Celtics lost because they just like shooting threes, bro. It got to a point where in game seven, they were down one, six straight possessions. They shooting three.

SPEAKER_02 44:38

They got nobody else on the roster to do anything else. That's how they built their team. They got their team with a bunch of white boys shooting threes. That's the whole roster.

SPEAKER_00 44:44

Yeah. And my problem is just like, um, because my man's he talks about it all the time. And when he we see a terrible shooting game, like far as like a three-point line, he always blames Steph. He was like, oh, Steph's the reason. He Steph made unethical hoops. We need to get out of that shit. Please get out of the unethical hoops, bullshit. It's the coach's decision to tell his team to stop fucking shooting the ball. Like at some point, when you miss up to 33, up to 23s, and you haven't made like you made less than like 10, you gotta be like, yo, attack the paint. Why are we still shooting the ball?

SPEAKER_02 45:16

They just don't have the roster to attack the paint. Who can do that?

SPEAKER_00 45:18

Regardless of the paint besides JB. Regardless of anything, it's still a thing you should do. You're missing on the three-point.

SPEAKER_02 45:24

But you're asking Sam Hauser to go off the dribble.

SPEAKER_00 45:27

Sam Hauser, Derek White. At least they're trying to do it. Derek White started attacking. That's the games they won. I ain't gonna lie. That's the games they won.

SPEAKER_02 45:34

But even him naturally, he's a shooter.

SPEAKER_00 45:37

But when you change it up and you try to and you try to not live on the three-point line, it starts to get you gain momentum.

SPEAKER_01 45:44

Did y'all did y'all see, not to make this all about Six or Celtics, but did y'all see Jalen Brown's comments?

SPEAKER_02 45:50

Yeah, you talking about the on the on the on the about targeting him.

SPEAKER_01 45:55

Like what did y'all think? I mean, it's crazy. I think he's full of things.

SPEAKER_03 46:00

It's funny because I seen I don't who the fuck was it? I don't know who it was, but I remember I was watching one of the one of the uh analysts talking about it, and they were speaking, they were talking about his comments, and they were like, they said that they kind of they kind of agreed. Like they said that's just the NBA that they play in. Like they said, like, for example, he said he gets the same kind of calls, but like no one's gonna glorify it because it's Wemby. Joe.

SPEAKER_00 46:22

Well he he's gonna be. I'm sorry, I'm gonna make this real quick. Jalen Jalen Brown has no reason to complain because he's that nigga. He did the nigga he's complaining about, he's what he does. Just as much. That's what the fuck he does. Jalen Brown took the most free throws out of anybody on his team in that series. Like, let's be real.

SPEAKER_01 46:42

It's no secret that Joel's gonna flop, bro. I can just wish you stay off the ground. It's not it's not a secret. Like the whole league knows that that's his that's his game, right? So he wasn't tripping when he was up 3-1. Right? It was none of that talk when he was up 3-1. All y'all had to do was win one game, and there was no talk of that. You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 47:00

Like, and I just, you know, me, me personally, um, I gotta mention they counted my man's out. They counted my man's out. All the talk shows, they're gonna get swept without Luca and Reeves. No, but then what did Braun do?

SPEAKER_00 47:14

No, that Rockets team wasn't built. What DeBron did? He wasn't, they weren't built to beat the Lakers.

SPEAKER_02 47:20

But all I'm saying is when Reeves and and Austin went down, they said that they were getting swept. Yeah, I didn't know. They said they were getting swept. And Braun came out there and averaged a smooth 27, 8, and 7. Yeah, no. The entire series. It's a real possibility he gets swept this round. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he's playing the best team in the league.

SPEAKER_01 47:39

But I think they take two K.

SPEAKER_02 47:42

I'm saying they picked the Rockets to sweep the Lakers. Which is crazy. And then LeBron showed them that he's still LeBron J. And then KD didn't play it all. Slim had been out of the way. No, no, no. KD didn't have a story.

SPEAKER_03 47:52

Huh? What happened? Let Slim had been out there, it'd have been a different thing.

SPEAKER_02 47:54

Oh, you're talking about when they locked him up and they only had three points in the second half. And then he got scared and he ducked wreck for the rest of the year. It wouldn't have been. They were worth, honestly, if you if you're a stats guy, they were worth with them for the court than without them. If you want to read it.

SPEAKER_03 48:10

One time I bet on that nigga brought than the average get them averages, boy. I tell you, I was just.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

Oh, that one 10-point game? Yes, that was mad as fucking the night. I mean, bro, he's 41. He had he had a night guy.

SPEAKER_03 48:19

I can't do it every night, guys. No, no, no, he can't. Nah, honestly, though, Bron, nah, Braun definitely showed up this year.

SPEAKER_02 48:23

Wait, but he he dragged uh Marcus Smart and Luke and Lu Kennard to a series. Real quick before that.

SPEAKER_03 48:29

Real quick, though, I do want to know like how you think, not like really how they host this show, but like what you think and like give a little heads up for this series.

SPEAKER_02 48:35

Like this series? Yeah. They're gonna lose in five. Really?

SPEAKER_03 48:38

I think they think a game.

SPEAKER_02 48:39

They're gonna lose in five.

SPEAKER_03 48:40

I'm not even gonna lie, yo, like I know I was just joking around, but like honestly, yo, I you don't see in no scenario where they actually pull this out.

SPEAKER_02 48:46

If they win tonight and uh Luca comes back game three or four, it's possible. That's the best chance. They have to win this game tonight. They need all their scores on the court. That's the only way that they have a 1% chance to win a series. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:03

I know you didn't ask me. Um, because you know nobody gives a fuck about the Sixers.

SPEAKER_03 49:07

No, I mean, like, I'm gonna be real with you. No, I'm sorry, but after last night. To be honest, yo, that was a scheduled loss. That needs to be the biggest motivator for this to go to seven. That was a scheduled loss. Like, uh just don't stop.

SPEAKER_01 49:19

No, no, no, but real sit, because we just played a game seven on Saturday, and we we had to travel Sunday play stop, Monday.

SPEAKER_03 49:30

He was like, Yeah, it's a long trip from Boston to Philly. Now, you know, they was real tired. I was like, Melanie.

SPEAKER_01 49:34

I'm just saying they they just had one day off and they didn't even really get a full day of practice. And I I I never thought we was gonna win game one anyway. I think we win the series, but like I thought I didn't think they was gonna get beat that bad, right? But that was it was it was it was bad. I think we win tomorrow. I think the I think it goes to seven. I I think it goes to seven and I think we win. Because I think we have I don't want to say the better players, but I think Knicks just I don't trust in B's health.

SPEAKER_03 49:59

I trust, I trust Nick Nurse, bro. I don't know. Jokingly, but also I kind of would want to see it. I told my man's I was like, man, we're about to have a Knicks Lakers finals, which would be crazy.

SPEAKER_02 50:07

That would like that would be crazy. I don't think we're gonna beat the Thunder. And I say we because yes, I aligned with the Lakers now. Um because I don't really have a favorite team, and so I told all my friends, I was like, yo, when LeBron retire, I'm just gonna stay there, whatever. But um, if if they get to the finals, LeBron ain't losing. He's not losing to the final. It's gonna be empty to stupid.

SPEAKER_01 50:29

He's gonna be if he gets to the final, let me tell you something. If Fron gets to the finals, this is it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:34

It's the Michael James Michael Jackson touring, and this is it because this is this is gonna be the last dance for real.

SPEAKER_01 50:41

Fuck all that, man. Speaking of last dance, we are on the last topic for uh for today. Um so we're gonna do a little something different where each of us queued up a clip where uh we thought it was the the coolest clip we saw from from the week. You know, it's all different sports or whatever, some F1, some basketball, whatever. Um, and then after the clips, you know, when we post them, we can let y'all decide which which one y'all thought was the hardest. So uh Leek's about to queue up the first one.

SPEAKER_00 51:06

So basically, this is so for so we're currently right now in Formula One. Um, the Miami Grand P just passed as the clip you're seeing. Um, this is uh Kimmy Antonelli. He's in his second year. This is him showing him going from P4 to P1, and he stays like that for the rest of the race. Now, um, a little insight of who Kimmy Antonelli is. This is like I said, this is his second year in the second year in Formula One going up against some people that's already been legends, and he's 19 years old, and he just won three races back to back. He's one of the only three drivers that ever do that in Formula One. Um and well, his first three, his first three races won were consecutively. The one and the only three drivers that ever do it. And I felt like this clip was good, was like my favorite because um I I really love Formula One. And like to see something like this, um, like him become a Formula One driver before he even gets his license, and him battle with his teammate last year and basically take control of the championship. He's also leading the drivers' championship right now by like almost plus 50 points. Um, and for him to do it in a big race as in Miami, to win three races back to back and come and win in Miami, which is a hard race to win, I feel like that was pretty good. Um, pretty amazing to me considering he's 19 and he's showing like spurts of him being like Lewis Hamilton, to considering he's sitting in the same seat that Lewis Hamilton was in when he was that age. So it's like, um, but not when he was that age, because he was in McLaren, but still, it's like he's showing that like he could be as good as a legend that was there two years ago.

SPEAKER_02 52:40

Okay, true. You got a young unbecoming style.

SPEAKER_03 52:43

It's kind of crazy because like, I mean, obviously, I only watch it whenever I'll be with you watching it, and like it is kind of funny to watching the clip and to see him like just kind of go from the position to each position and then kind of just passing niggas and getting in the first, and like it is kind of cool for real. Yeah, I mean I like I said, I'm sure if I watched it more and got more attacked, then like I would understand the severity of it, but like hearing you explain it to me definitely understands it.

SPEAKER_01 53:04

Um there it is. Okay, so in this clip, you got I know what y'all are thinking it's probably just a regular defensive possession with Jalen Brown and Vijay Edge Comb right. Um I think this was such an important possession because VJ's guarding Jalen Brown and then he repositions because he knows he's not gonna drive left. So that's why he's in that awkward guarding position. So he can guard him that way because he knows he's not gonna come back around to the left because he has no left hand. So then he can contest, reposition, he contest the shot, and he misses. So if you look at it, he it looks like he's backpelling on his left on his back because he knows Jalen's not gonna come to the left. And in the clip, he doesn't. Nah, that was a solid defensive possession. You know, I remember watching that a lot.

SPEAKER_03 53:49

I mean, like, honestly, it's so it's funny when you sent this, like I watched it, and then my initial thought was just like, the hell is he about to like what is he gonna show and talk to us about for this clip? But like, now that you explained it, I do understand. And bro, he's like it is crazy. It is kind of crazy. Yeah, and when you think about everything about it, VJ is still a rookie, he's still not like at his peak level, but it's like that.

SPEAKER_01 54:10

Dalen Brown's an MVP, what, runner up, essentially, right? And VP. Right, so it's just like him having the you know the ball knowledge to do that. I thought that was that was pretty cool for a rookie. Yeah, that's solid.

SPEAKER_02 54:22

That's you know, VJ got a future. You know, I'd be hating on it just because he don't be hating, he's a good player. I'd be hating on it just because he don't be hitting on the ticket. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:32

When you said that the other day, I understood your pain. Trust me, I know. You just can't bet on him, bro. This one, just real simple. It just I just feel like this is like I don't remember what the dude's name was. It was a Jamal Kane, but he had a poster on J. Oh, when he banged on him? Yes. Oh, yeah. Like, the only reason I chose this one is just like, especially from that angle, yo. It's just like it just gave me straight vibes of Russ back in the day when Russ would just punch it on somebody just for. Yeah, bro. Like, mmm, then from this other angle, you really get the full effect of it. And he's like, it made him fall back, stumble, it's the more shit. Like, you don't get the more looked at him like, bro, that shit was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 55:08

You can't even play that off, bro.

SPEAKER_03 55:10

Like, you gotta eat it. Like, bro, what? Nah, that's it. People don't know. That's why he just said nowadays.

SPEAKER_00 55:14

I ain't gonna lie, they have the balance and they just don't.

SPEAKER_03 55:17

They just don't do it. But nah, that's crazy. But let's say we can go to Doris. This one, yeah. So we got the whole sequence for us. All right.

SPEAKER_02 55:27

All right. So, I mean, of course, we already know what I chose to pick. Um, my guy Go James with a defensive lockdown, he plucks uh Reed Shepard from behind, the ball's thrown up to him, he loses the basketball, taps it to Lu Kennard. Lu Kennard throws it right back, and he hits the game time three to send it at overtime and still a game in Houston. I think that's crazy for a 41-year-old to do, especially in uh in the playoff series after playing the whole season. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, Braun, he towards the end of his career, he's had to manage, you know, his legs a little bit more because he be gassed a little bit in the fourth quarter. So for him to still have this in him at this age, I thought was crazy. Like, if you're a Jordan guy, I again I I understand it. Jordan guys hate LeBron guys. LeBron guys, we don't hate Jordan guys. I appreciate Jordan. Bro, but like this was crazy, bro.

SPEAKER_01 56:17

Yeah, when I saw that play happen, bro, I'm like, bro, Reese Shepard. He heard them footsteps, bro. He just was not ready for it. Like the back tap, and then yo, I thought that whole sequence was so crazy. It's a LeBron.

SPEAKER_03 56:36

This is the start of it. He chased him into the backcourt. It's the LeBron. Then, like Dory said, he'll just pluck that bitch out right from the like that. No awareness, bro.

SPEAKER_02 56:48

Then he pump fixed, two guys go past him, and then he still pulls it.

SPEAKER_03 56:52

Still contested, too. It wasn't even like it was a bro.

SPEAKER_01 56:55

I can't I can't hate LeBron, bro. I really I really can't hate on. Like, he's he's the reason I like basketball.

SPEAKER_02 56:59

Like I I literally told some of my guys the other day, bro. I said, yo, LeBron got me into the NBA. I've always been a football guy. Yeah, and so when my oh yeah, you love LeBron, you're LeBron, love it. You're right. That's my favorite player, bro. Yes, his favorite.

SPEAKER_00 57:11

That's your favorite player, bro.

SPEAKER_01 57:13

So yeah, like I said, um, when we post the clips, we're gonna let all of y'all decide in the comments uh which clip y'all think was the hardest. Uh what clips of other sports would y'all like to see? Um, but I think that does it for another episode of the Fourth Down Podcast. Shout out to Ant. Thanks for watching.

SPEAKER_03 57:27

Yeah, we are shout out to Ant, man. Shout out to the guys, appreciate y'all for being here.

SPEAKER_01 57:32

You know, as always, thanks for being my friend.

SPEAKER_03 57:36

Peace.

SPEAKER_04 57:37

Peace.